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> The Swedish “CDC” have pushed for long term resilience and believe that strict prolonged lockdowns will be impossible to maintain. > Other countries have had

by barumi 6y ago

> The Swedish “CDC” have pushed for long term resilience and believe that strict prolonged lockdowns will be impossible to maintain. > Other countries have had a far more political response to this pandemic. Spain suffered so much from the covid epidemic that they had to commandeer hotels and convention centers to serve as makeshift emergency hospitals to receive critical covid19 cases. Death rates were so high that in Madrid they had to commandeer an ice rink to serve as a makeshift morgue. Spain's investment in a lockdown allowed them to contain and lower the daily death count from nearly a thousand to single-digits, and reign back spread rates. The lockdown decision in other countries is not political. It's common sense. Have people already forgot what "flatten the curve" means?

jordanbeiber 6y ago
Sweden have experienced the same “reining in” of infection and death rates without lockdown. Perhaps lockdowns are required elsewhere due to cultural differences. This is also partly an explanation for Swedens relatively high death rates - our completely botched integration of immigrants over the years. But how many and harsh lockdown can a population endure?
- barumi 6y ago
  > Sweden have experienced the same “reining in” of infection and death rates without lockdown. No it doesn't. Sweden's population density is a fraction of Italy's and Spain's, and even Sweden's largest urban centers are dwarfed by Italy and Spain's. I mean, to start off Spain has arguably a better national health service than Sweden, and Spain's services were quickly overwhelmed by the epidemic that the country was forced to mobilize their armed forces to respond to it. Spain's daily death count reached around a thousand deaths per day after the mitigating effects of the first lockdown kicked in. Sweden hasn't even experienced a death count that's equivalent of a single week of Spain's . The reason why Sweden's strategy consists of letting covid19 spread like wildfire is based on the fact that in Sweden's case it's peculiarities serve as spread retardant.
  - jordanbeiber 6y ago
    > Sweden's strategy consists of letting covid19 spread like wildfire You’re not from Sweden right? If so you would not say something like this. It is just plain uninformed. My whole family works in health care - doctor, nurse & in elderly care. Your idea of the situation in Sweden is way off. We have “reined in” the spread, but we notice something of a second wave starting here as well.
    - barumi 6y ago
      You may try to pull the authority by proxy card, but that does nothing to address the fact that so far Sweden's total covid19 death count since day zero is still below 6 thousand. That's less than a weekly count of covid19 deaths in Spain when it's first wave flared up. You may claim that you know a nurse in sweden as much as you'd like, but that is completely irrelevant and changes nothing.
      - jordanbeiber 6y ago
        Feel free to compare case charts Sweden and Spain. The curves roughly resembles each other. I claim - living in Sweden, that you know nothing about what’s going on here. (Direct authority by living in the very community you comment)
      - raverbashing 6y ago
        > is still below 6 thousand. > That's less than a weekly count of covid19 deaths in Spain Sweden: 10Mi inhabitants Spain: 46Mi And yes, in deaths per Million, Sweden has a lower number than Spain (but not much lower)
  - henrikschroder 6y ago
    > The reason why Sweden's strategy consists of letting covid19 spread like wildfire This is so far from the truth that it's not even funny anymore. You are obviously not Swedish, and you obviously have no idea what the situation is actually like in Sweden. If you think you're getting an accurate view of Sweden's strategy, response, and outcome through non-Swedish media, you are completely mistaken. The amount of misinformation in foreign media has been absolutely off the charts this year. Here is the official Swedish strategy, read it yourself and stop spreading crap: https://www.government.se/articles/2020/04/strategy-in-response-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/ https://www.government.se/articles/2020/04/strategy-in-respo... "Point 1: Limit the spread of infection in the country By limiting the spread of the virus, the Government aims to relieve pressure on the health care system and protect people’s lives, health and jobs." That's pretty much the opposite of "letting it spread like wildfire". > Sweden's population density is a fraction of Italy's and Spain's The national average population density tells you absolutely nothing in this case, and the number is that low because Sweden has a whole lot of land where noone lives. You bringing this up in a corona discussion only shows even more that you know absolutely nothing about Sweden and obviously never been there. For reference, Sweden is 87% urbanized, while Spain is only 81%, and Italy even less at 71%.

by barumi 6y ago

jordanbeiber 6y ago

Sweden have experienced the same “reining in” of infection and death rates without lockdown. Perhaps lockdowns are required elsewhere due to cultural differences. This is also partly an explanation for Swedens relatively high death rates - our completely botched integration of immigrants over the years. But how many and harsh lockdown can a population endure?

barumi 6y ago
> Sweden have experienced the same “reining in” of infection and death rates without lockdown. No it doesn't. Sweden's population density is a fraction of Italy's and Spain's, and even Sweden's largest urban centers are dwarfed by Italy and Spain's. I mean, to start off Spain has arguably a better national health service than Sweden, and Spain's services were quickly overwhelmed by the epidemic that the country was forced to mobilize their armed forces to respond to it. Spain's daily death count reached around a thousand deaths per day after the mitigating effects of the first lockdown kicked in. Sweden hasn't even experienced a death count that's equivalent of a single week of Spain's . The reason why Sweden's strategy consists of letting covid19 spread like wildfire is based on the fact that in Sweden's case it's peculiarities serve as spread retardant.
- jordanbeiber 6y ago
  > Sweden's strategy consists of letting covid19 spread like wildfire You’re not from Sweden right? If so you would not say something like this. It is just plain uninformed. My whole family works in health care - doctor, nurse & in elderly care. Your idea of the situation in Sweden is way off. We have “reined in” the spread, but we notice something of a second wave starting here as well.
  - barumi 6y ago
    You may try to pull the authority by proxy card, but that does nothing to address the fact that so far Sweden's total covid19 death count since day zero is still below 6 thousand. That's less than a weekly count of covid19 deaths in Spain when it's first wave flared up. You may claim that you know a nurse in sweden as much as you'd like, but that is completely irrelevant and changes nothing.
    - jordanbeiber 6y ago
      Feel free to compare case charts Sweden and Spain. The curves roughly resembles each other. I claim - living in Sweden, that you know nothing about what’s going on here. (Direct authority by living in the very community you comment)
    - raverbashing 6y ago
      > is still below 6 thousand. > That's less than a weekly count of covid19 deaths in Spain Sweden: 10Mi inhabitants Spain: 46Mi And yes, in deaths per Million, Sweden has a lower number than Spain (but not much lower)
- henrikschroder 6y ago
  > The reason why Sweden's strategy consists of letting covid19 spread like wildfire This is so far from the truth that it's not even funny anymore. You are obviously not Swedish, and you obviously have no idea what the situation is actually like in Sweden. If you think you're getting an accurate view of Sweden's strategy, response, and outcome through non-Swedish media, you are completely mistaken. The amount of misinformation in foreign media has been absolutely off the charts this year. Here is the official Swedish strategy, read it yourself and stop spreading crap: https://www.government.se/articles/2020/04/strategy-in-response-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/ https://www.government.se/articles/2020/04/strategy-in-respo... "Point 1: Limit the spread of infection in the country By limiting the spread of the virus, the Government aims to relieve pressure on the health care system and protect people’s lives, health and jobs." That's pretty much the opposite of "letting it spread like wildfire". > Sweden's population density is a fraction of Italy's and Spain's The national average population density tells you absolutely nothing in this case, and the number is that low because Sweden has a whole lot of land where noone lives. You bringing this up in a corona discussion only shows even more that you know absolutely nothing about Sweden and obviously never been there. For reference, Sweden is 87% urbanized, while Spain is only 81%, and Italy even less at 71%.