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This article trots out Sweden as some cautionary tale, and does the same old tired comparison of a single cause of death across it's Nordic neighbours. And sinc

This article trots out Sweden as some cautionary tale, and does the same old tired comparison of a single cause of death across it's Nordic neighbours. And since Sweden's numbers for this single cause of death are worse than its neighbours, it's covid19 strategy is some sort of abysmal failure. And yet, 2020 is currently on track to be the third least deadly year ever in recorded history in Sweden. And yet, the total all-cause mortality rate in Sweden for 2020 is on track to be lower than its neighbour Denmark, higher than Norway, and about the same as Finland. Because the most infurating thing about everyone's obsession about covid19 death numbers is that people seem to have forgotten just how many people die every year from other causes. And there's very little debate about how much suffering and death that the lockdowns themselves are causing. There's no balance, no compromise, no trade-off, no proportions, only a myopic staring contest at a single cause of death across countries.

anticristi 6y ago
This is very interesting. Can you point to some article/data?
- henrikschroder 6y ago
  https://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2020/10/september-2020-least-deadly-month-ever.html https://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2020/10/september-2020-least-... https://medium.com/@FrankfurtZack/unprecedented-overall-mortality-in-sweden-and-other-european-countries-cd8fcdd6174a https://medium.com/@FrankfurtZack/unprecedented-overall-mort... https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1317001636779347968 https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1317001636779347968 https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2020/10/12/sweden-covid-status-after-q3/ https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2020/10... https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1318260177955684352 https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1318260177955684352
  - barumi 6y ago
    Are you only able to come up with personal blogs? Media where any crackpot can post is hardly a reputable source for public health discussions.
    - henrikschroder 6y ago
      I'm sad to say that your comment just reads as "I don't like that fact and it bothers me that official statistics proves it to be true". They're all grabbing and visualizing data from SCB. You are free to disagree with their opinions and conclusions, but the numbers are correct. Sweden loooooooves statistics, which is why we have accurate monthly death numbers going back 160 years. Here's the last 20 years from the official source, you can check yourself if those "crackpot" blogs got it right or not: https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/manadsstatistik--riket/preliminar-befolkningsstatistik-per-manad-2020/ https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befo... (Spoiler: They did.)
      - barumi 6y ago
        > They're all grabbing and visualizing data from SCB. Then you should simply post the data from SBC, and not blog posts from random crank pots what just happened to master the art of copy/pasting. To put it differently, people are interested in what SBC has to say, not what grannypuncher69 commented on an epidemic.
        henrikschroder 6y ago
        > any crackpot > random crank pots > grannypuncher69 You took the time and effort to use a bunch of ad hominems to try to discredit my links, and yet you didn't address the data at all. Does the fact bother you that much that Sweden's all-cause mortality for 2020 is going to be completely unremarkable from a historical and statistical point of view? (Ok, third lowest mortality in recorded history is actually pretty remarkable, but it's also just the natural consequence of a decades long increase in life expectancy.)
roenxi 6y ago
That, and the pandemic is ongoing. Even if they had the highest deaths per capita in the world and everyone in had coronavirus it would still not be certain that they were executing a bad strategy. If coronavirus becomes endemic (eg, like the flu) then eventually everyone is going to get it and hindsight the lockdowns will have been sort-of pointless.

anticristi 6y ago

This is very interesting. Can you point to some article/data?

henrikschroder 6y ago
https://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2020/10/september-2020-least-deadly-month-ever.html https://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2020/10/september-2020-least-... https://medium.com/@FrankfurtZack/unprecedented-overall-mortality-in-sweden-and-other-european-countries-cd8fcdd6174a https://medium.com/@FrankfurtZack/unprecedented-overall-mort... https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1317001636779347968 https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1317001636779347968 https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2020/10/12/sweden-covid-status-after-q3/ https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2020/10... https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1318260177955684352 https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1318260177955684352
- barumi 6y ago
  Are you only able to come up with personal blogs? Media where any crackpot can post is hardly a reputable source for public health discussions.
  - henrikschroder 6y ago
    I'm sad to say that your comment just reads as "I don't like that fact and it bothers me that official statistics proves it to be true". They're all grabbing and visualizing data from SCB. You are free to disagree with their opinions and conclusions, but the numbers are correct. Sweden loooooooves statistics, which is why we have accurate monthly death numbers going back 160 years. Here's the last 20 years from the official source, you can check yourself if those "crackpot" blogs got it right or not: https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/manadsstatistik--riket/preliminar-befolkningsstatistik-per-manad-2020/ https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befo... (Spoiler: They did.)
    - barumi 6y ago
      > They're all grabbing and visualizing data from SCB. Then you should simply post the data from SBC, and not blog posts from random crank pots what just happened to master the art of copy/pasting. To put it differently, people are interested in what SBC has to say, not what grannypuncher69 commented on an epidemic.
      - henrikschroder 6y ago
        > any crackpot > random crank pots > grannypuncher69 You took the time and effort to use a bunch of ad hominems to try to discredit my links, and yet you didn't address the data at all. Does the fact bother you that much that Sweden's all-cause mortality for 2020 is going to be completely unremarkable from a historical and statistical point of view? (Ok, third lowest mortality in recorded history is actually pretty remarkable, but it's also just the natural consequence of a decades long increase in life expectancy.)

roenxi 6y ago

That, and the pandemic is ongoing. Even if they had the highest deaths per capita in the world and everyone in had coronavirus it would still not be certain that they were executing a bad strategy. If coronavirus becomes endemic (eg, like the flu) then eventually everyone is going to get it and hindsight the lockdowns will have been sort-of pointless.