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Relying on other countries can't ever be a long term solution. That pirate bay and scihub are still around, that their authors are walking around freely, is a
by clusterfish 6y ago
Relying on other countries can't ever be a long term solution.
That pirate bay and scihub are still around, that their authors are walking around freely, is a miracle that should not be taken for granted.
We need to work on fixing these problems in our own countries. We need to talk about the freedoms we care about, put a good brand to those freedoms and win popular attention and enshrine those freedoms into law. And build a society that depends on those freedoms so much that rolling them back would be unthinkable.
That would be an actual long term solution. It is hard but if we all contribute, we can do it. Probably.
- Reelin 6y agoI agree in principle, but a much easier fix would be to host such code on a tor hidden service. That way the physical server can be located more or less wherever. Then we just have to normalize the use of Tor so that banning it becomes unthinkable ...
- xg15 6y agoIn other words, instead of trying to change the laws, which is the whole idea of a democracy, just give up on laws altogether.
- colinmhayes 6y agoThe vast majority of people don't give a shit about this, so the money being pumped by rights holders will win out.
- d0mine 6y ago> That pirate bay and scihub are still around, that their authors are walking around freely Let's not equate these sites. scihub gives people what they are likely already paid for. Academic publishing business is a fraud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PriwCi6SzLo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PriwCi6SzLo (recent video on the topic that I liked)
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- kortilla 6y ago> scihub gives people what they are likely already paid for No, as long as the researcher was not bound by the grant to publish in the open and published in a journal/conference with a copyright, you do not have the legal right to get it, even if taxpayers funded the research. It’s fucked that the law doesn’t stipulate open publications for taxpayer funded research, but that’s an issue with the law. Academic publishing isn’t a “fraud” in the normal definition.
- _0ffh 6y agoYou're countering what I perceive to be moral argument with a legal one, which would be a category error.
- MauranKilom 6y agoYet whether the authors walk freely is entirely a legal issue, not a moral one.
- kortilla 6y ago“Fraud”
- jtjbdhsjjdnd 6y ago"Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm and Carl Lundström were all found guilty and sentenced to serve one year in prison and pay a fine of 30 million SEK". I wouldn't call it walk freely.
- marvin 6y agoYeah, Sweden doesn’t allow for zeroing debts due to legal judgements in personal bankruptcy, IIRC. This means that they were effectively sentenced to lifelong debt slavery. This is another dark part of the Scandinavian model that most aren’t aware of. Same system in Norway.
- himlion 6y agoI know a friend of one of those 4 mentioned and he is doing absolutely fine (money-wise at least)
- marvin 6y agoDo you know any details? I had the distinct impression that these debts would never be discharged. Are the authorities just not following up on using the legal framework to seize any of their earnings towards the debt?
- bubblethink 6y ago>Relying on other countries can't ever be a long term solution. It is the only solution that can put any pressure on the US in a macro sense. The DMCA is a uniquely American creation, and it will remain in tact until the US starts losing intellectual capital to other countries. Such a thing is not likely to happen any time soon, but in a decade or two, the US will still be arguing which Larry owns the copyright to a header file, while China and others would have moved on to far more interesting challenges.
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