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Pale Moon migrating source code from GitHub

45 points by app4soft 6y ago

rlseawa 6y ago
Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
fmakunbound 6y ago
What’s all that about?
- OpossumMinister 6y ago
  Seems to me like their ancient fork of firefox doesn't work correctly on github, so they are moving.
  - app4soft 6y ago
    > so they are moving. Mirror would be available on GitHub anyway: > We (or rather Tobin, specifically) will maintain a mirrored repository for the platform on GitHub.
    - Proven 6y ago
      Well, they shouldn't have moved before that was ready. As of now there's no Palemoon mirror at https://github.com/MoonchildProductions https://github.com/MoonchildProductions I was going to see if perhaps the abuse of Issues was what annoyed the maintainer more than the primary reason). That's one of big downsides of a world where 99.99% of people create nothing (in terms of code or docs): when Github wasn't as popular many "consumers" didn't have accounts. Now they do, and often tend to turn Issues into a discussion forum (which, contrary to Tobin's assessment, is a testament to the success of Github's UX, but not of the kind devs and power users want). The easiest way to deal with that is what Tobin did. Mirror the source to Github and lock (or ignore) GH issues.
  - app4soft 6y ago
    > doesn't work correctly on GitHub There is already extension[0] for Pale Moon which solves issue with GitHub.[1] [0] https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases [1] https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=25435 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=25435
solvorn 6y ago
YouTube-dl started a fire.
edoceo 6y ago
Moving cause they mad at GitHub=MS + Chrome=Edge
barnaclejive 6y ago
https://www.palemoon.org https://www.palemoon.org Cool project, but who is is this for IRL?
- tomc1985 6y ago
  People that want to use Firefox with its older architecture
- app4soft 6y ago
  > but who is is this for IRL? Devs or users? Who you asking for? JFTR, I'm user of Pale Moon since switched to it more than 5 years ago.
  - windthrown 6y ago
    I'm curious about users. Why did you choose to use Pale Moon?
- asddubs 6y ago
  I thought it was for people who want to run older firefox addons but apparently they're not even fully compatible (?)
- antman 6y ago
  For those who din’t want to get stuck to firefox 69 for sustained addon functionality.
- fizdoonk 6y ago
  i use it for its support for NPAPI plugin support, to connect to our F5 vpn
- tomasdore 6y ago
  People who have an older computer and want to access newer systems. I helped someone who had an older Mac and wanted to access a university system (Canvas LMS) that required modern technologies. Nothing but Pale Moon worked; the alternative was to ditch the computer, but it was pristine.
btrask 6y ago
More detail in this article, "Modern Web Standards Are Leaving Niche Web Browsers Behind": https://linuxreviews.org/Modern_Web_Standards_Are_Leaving_Niche_Web_Browsers_Behind https://linuxreviews.org/Modern_Web_Standards_Are_Leaving_Ni... Via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24863401 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24863401
glandium 6y ago
> shifting focus towards requiring WebComponents (...) I can't help but read this as "Palemoon is stuck in the past wrt standards", which is a self-inflicted problem from what Palemoon is (a fork of an old version of Firefox), and the resources they have to maintain it (only one person, IIRC). For the same reason that building a new browser engine is a ton of work, maintaining a fork of an old engine is a ton of work. Take that from someone who has spent a lot of time backporting security fixes for old versions of Firefox in Debian stable back when Debian was not updating to new major versions of Firefox ESR (back when Debian was still calling it Iceweasel).
- superkuh 6y ago
  It is not the past. There are two mutually exclusive views of the web. As a set of protocols set to allow individual humans to share information about things they love and the web as a set of protocols to make a living. Profit motivated web presences want views, they want attention, they need nine 9s uptime, need to be able to do monetary transactions absolutely securely, and they want to be an application not a document. They live and die on the eternal wave of walled garden's recommendation engines because that's the network effect and that's where money flows. It doesn't matter if this means extremely high barriers to entry because money solves everything. It means JS VM applications and constant churn in standards. Web components, HTML without HTML, is one aspect of this. Individuals' websites are freeform presentations about the things that person is interested in. They are the backyard gardens of the mind and the most important thing is lowering the friction from thought to posting. There's no need to get tons of traffic instantly (or ever), they're mostly time insensitive. They're documents. They're stable. They're actually HTML. The big corporate browsers, Chrome, Firefox, and Safari are browsers designed for the corporate money web and they are becoming absolutely useless for actual web surfing. Pale Moon, and other browsers, are still focused on being browers. This isn't the past, it's the point.

45 points by app4soft 6y ago

rlseawa 6y ago

Cutting off the nose to spite the face?

fmakunbound 6y ago

What’s all that about?

OpossumMinister 6y ago
Seems to me like their ancient fork of firefox doesn't work correctly on github, so they are moving.
- app4soft 6y ago
  > so they are moving. Mirror would be available on GitHub anyway: > We (or rather Tobin, specifically) will maintain a mirrored repository for the platform on GitHub.
  - Proven 6y ago
    Well, they shouldn't have moved before that was ready. As of now there's no Palemoon mirror at https://github.com/MoonchildProductions https://github.com/MoonchildProductions I was going to see if perhaps the abuse of Issues was what annoyed the maintainer more than the primary reason). That's one of big downsides of a world where 99.99% of people create nothing (in terms of code or docs): when Github wasn't as popular many "consumers" didn't have accounts. Now they do, and often tend to turn Issues into a discussion forum (which, contrary to Tobin's assessment, is a testament to the success of Github's UX, but not of the kind devs and power users want). The easiest way to deal with that is what Tobin did. Mirror the source to Github and lock (or ignore) GH issues.
- app4soft 6y ago
  > doesn't work correctly on GitHub There is already extension[0] for Pale Moon which solves issue with GitHub.[1] [0] https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases [1] https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=25435 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=25435

solvorn 6y ago

YouTube-dl started a fire.

edoceo 6y ago

Moving cause they mad at GitHub=MS + Chrome=Edge

barnaclejive 6y ago

https://www.palemoon.org https://www.palemoon.org Cool project, but who is is this for IRL?

tomc1985 6y ago
People that want to use Firefox with its older architecture
app4soft 6y ago
> but who is is this for IRL? Devs or users? Who you asking for? JFTR, I'm user of Pale Moon since switched to it more than 5 years ago.
- windthrown 6y ago
  I'm curious about users. Why did you choose to use Pale Moon?
asddubs 6y ago
I thought it was for people who want to run older firefox addons but apparently they're not even fully compatible (?)
antman 6y ago
For those who din’t want to get stuck to firefox 69 for sustained addon functionality.
fizdoonk 6y ago
i use it for its support for NPAPI plugin support, to connect to our F5 vpn
tomasdore 6y ago
People who have an older computer and want to access newer systems. I helped someone who had an older Mac and wanted to access a university system (Canvas LMS) that required modern technologies. Nothing but Pale Moon worked; the alternative was to ditch the computer, but it was pristine.

btrask 6y ago

More detail in this article, "Modern Web Standards Are Leaving Niche Web Browsers Behind": https://linuxreviews.org/Modern_Web_Standards_Are_Leaving_Niche_Web_Browsers_Behind https://linuxreviews.org/Modern_Web_Standards_Are_Leaving_Ni... Via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24863401 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24863401

glandium 6y ago

> shifting focus towards requiring WebComponents (...) I can't help but read this as "Palemoon is stuck in the past wrt standards", which is a self-inflicted problem from what Palemoon is (a fork of an old version of Firefox), and the resources they have to maintain it (only one person, IIRC). For the same reason that building a new browser engine is a ton of work, maintaining a fork of an old engine is a ton of work. Take that from someone who has spent a lot of time backporting security fixes for old versions of Firefox in Debian stable back when Debian was not updating to new major versions of Firefox ESR (back when Debian was still calling it Iceweasel).

superkuh 6y ago
It is not the past. There are two mutually exclusive views of the web. As a set of protocols set to allow individual humans to share information about things they love and the web as a set of protocols to make a living. Profit motivated web presences want views, they want attention, they need nine 9s uptime, need to be able to do monetary transactions absolutely securely, and they want to be an application not a document. They live and die on the eternal wave of walled garden's recommendation engines because that's the network effect and that's where money flows. It doesn't matter if this means extremely high barriers to entry because money solves everything. It means JS VM applications and constant churn in standards. Web components, HTML without HTML, is one aspect of this. Individuals' websites are freeform presentations about the things that person is interested in. They are the backyard gardens of the mind and the most important thing is lowering the friction from thought to posting. There's no need to get tons of traffic instantly (or ever), they're mostly time insensitive. They're documents. They're stable. They're actually HTML. The big corporate browsers, Chrome, Firefox, and Safari are browsers designed for the corporate money web and they are becoming absolutely useless for actual web surfing. Pale Moon, and other browsers, are still focused on being browers. This isn't the past, it's the point.