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People don't want to listen to Stallman because he talks about motivations. The number of times I've had people downvote me for pointing out all organizations w
by konjin 6y ago
People don't want to listen to Stallman because he talks about motivations. The number of times I've had people downvote me for pointing out all organizations will act to maximize profit regardless the cost to others is extraordinary.
It doesn't matter if it's google, mozilla, microsoft or the fsf.
- amatecha 6y agoThe FSF is a non-profit organization, so that motivation quite literally doesn't apply to them. All other regular corporations, yes. :)
- ddingus 6y agoThey will do it too, only it manifests differently. Instead of money in a bank, they will expand and or do more work, etc... This isn't bad. But it is resonant with what Stallman talks about.
- konjin 6y agoIt does. I remember when I said that Mozilla offering women's outreach was the start of the end for them and being called a misogynist for it. Their current market rate speaks for itself.
- wolco2 6y agoThat's an interesting point. Regardless of the initiative (could have been rural broadband) by expanding into these areas Mozilla's parent company said.. We have enough money for operations. This extra money will go to this good cause. As someone who might donate I would hold off because they have more than enough. I could use my money directly to support a cause. Not sure how a charity starts giving to another charity (unless that is what they specialize in). That strikes me as greedy. If you have enough don't ask for more. There are local charities who could use the money.
- konjin 6y agoPeople who lead groups want power. You can get more power when you lead more people, or you can get more money and turn that into power. Which is why I'm a huge fan of sortition as a way to run groups of people larger than a dozen.
- roenxi 6y agoGoogle. Mozilla. The FSF. Microsoft. IBM springs to mind. These will all have their time in the spotlight as tech darlings or villains. You aren't using the Stallman Trick here. The fact some organisation or person seems good today is totally meaningless compared to what it is legally allowed to do, and what they have incentive to do. It is a bit cynical, but assume people are going to do what the incentives push them to do and the world becomes a very simple and predictable place. The time to panic isn't when someone threatens you, it is when they have the means & incentive to threaten you. Run or fight then, not later on. If the FSF gains power, it will abuse that power. Sooner or later. They will react to money just as much as the rest of us. Look at what happened to Mozilla.
- rhn_mk1 6y agoYou seem to imply that there are always incentives pushing any organization to do evil things. That's a big presumption. Organizations are just groups of people. People have varied motivations, and their motivations don't have to change just because they join forces with others. If what you're saying is correct, then either people's own varied motivations are all evil, or instantly become evil the moment they join a group (whatever that means).
- konjin 6y agoPeople do, people who end up leading large groups of people don't.
- arvinsim 6y agoCurious as to why you left our Apple and Amazon.
- konjin 6y agoBecause I didn't want to write down every corp with more than 10 people in it.