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There’s a lot to not like about Trump, but he’s literally the only one in 50 years who’s been willing to play for keeps on Chinese tariffs. And he’s been raked

There’s a lot to not like about Trump, but he’s literally the only one in 50 years who’s been willing to play for keeps on Chinese tariffs. And he’s been raked over the coals for it.

ansible 6y ago
And accomplished jack-all. The real problem is not China producing cheap steel, but human rights abuses, and censorship. 45 hasn't done anything about that.
- abc-xyz 6y ago
  Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done to stand up to China. I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him. - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies to move their manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, Taiwan, etc. (Biden admittedly said he would end Trump’s China tariffs, but the many companies that already left are unlikely to return), and even high end tech such as the iPhone is starting to get assembled outside China as well. - He was the first US President to speak directly with Taiwan's President since 1979. - He made the largest arms sale to Taiwan in the past few decades. - The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act and the Hong Kong Autonomy Act were signed under his administration. - The TAIPEI Act was signed under his administration. - The Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act was singed under his administration. - Meng Wanzhou was arrested under his administration (which dragged Canada into it because China decided to arbitrarily arrest Canadian citizens). - China Mobile was blocked from offering services in the US, citing national security risks. - Huawei was blocked from using Android and chips with US tech (which will effectively kill their mobiles once their stock runs out). - Huawei was blocked from building 5G networks (USA paid other nations to block them as well). - Hong Kong’s special status was revoked. - Universal Postal Union agreed to let countries raise postal rates after Trump threatened to leave - this means you’ll no longer be able to buy cheap junk from Aliexpress (and resellers like Wish) at no shipping cost (the receiving country was previously forced to deliver the products for free, even if you brought some toy for 10 cents). - Trump is pushing for WTO to drop China’s developing country status. - TikTok and WeChat (likely with more to come) would’ve been blocked by now if it wasn’t for judges temporarily blocking the bans. There's a reason China's GDP growth in 2019 was the lowest it's been since 1990, and there's a reason China's worldwide reputation is at an all-time low. That reason is Trump. It's also no surprise that all the nations that suffer the most from CCP's actions, such as Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc. tend to be pro-Trump.
  - fuck_red_china 6y ago
    It is worth mentioning that his policies have simultaneously alienated the EU, making it more difficult to build a large coalition. That said, you're right that Trump has done more to curtail Red China than most prior presidents, at least individually. He'd likely have had a hard time anyway considering that Red China has bought a significant chunk of Europe and the developing world via her Belt and Road Initiative of debt-trap diplomacy.
  - tracer4201 6y ago
    Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses? The first item in your list is President Trump calling the virus the Chinese virus. Aside from maybe bringing his supporters as a rallying cry, what does that actually achieve? It feels more like hollow political rhetoric and not something that delivers any kind of results. What do the arms sales achieve? Is it merely profit for the American industrial complex, or are you saying Hong Kong now has some chance against China in the event of a military conflict?
    - abc-xyz 6y ago
      Calling it the China/Chinese Virus helps continuously remind the world that China are 100% responsible for the pandemic. The only reason I’m voting for Trump is due to him being able/willing to stand up to China. It would be great if more politicians realized that China is an issue that will win/lose votes so I didn’t have to vote against the majority of my beliefs. As for arming Taiwan (I assume Hong Kong was a typo), well, it’s one of the best ways to help their country defend themselves from a Chinese invasion.
      - tracer4201 6y ago
        What does calling the virus the Chinese virus achieve? Does it solve the current crisis we are in? I’d like to go back to my original question - what is the substance or end result? And in your mind, what does it mean that Trump is willing to “stand up” to China? What is the net effect or outcome? Last I checked, there are over 200,000 Americans dead from the virus. The American President initially denied it was a real issue, going as far as to say it was a Democratic hoax. Then he started having daily conferences, somewhat acknowledging their seriousness of the situation, but insisting it would all just disappear. You can vote however you like, and no one here is asking you to tell us who you voted for. And I’m not asking you to justify your vote, although you indicated your candidate and your reasons why. I’d prefer to go back to a policy discussion. Arming Taiwan will help an American defense company increase its revenue for sure. But if we want to discuss impact on China, in a serious military conflict, Hong Kong has essentially zero chance of holding off a Chinese invasion. The larger point I’m trying to make is that it’s not clear to me what actual impact the current Presidents policies have had. He certainly has great sound bytes to portray himself as being tough on China, but from the list of items you provided, I would love to know what fundamentally has changed. The American President is fairly well known for exaggeration and hyperbole - he describes himself as the “best” or most informed on any particular topic. In his own words, his opponent is weak because his opponent will listen to scientists. I hope you’re able to disambiguate that tough words, whether it’s calling Mexicans rapists and criminals or saying the virus is the Chinese virus, don’t actually accomplish anything substantial other than maybe make you “feel good” or provide you confirmation on your beliefs on a particular topic. Separate note: I do find it ironic that as an American voter, you believe the same President, who has financial interests and even personal bank accounts in China, is “tough” on China in terms of any meaningful policy.
marsrover 6y ago
One of the reasons I voted for him this time, even though I didn't in 2016.
- ReactiveJelly 6y ago
  Maybe next year Trump will break up my gay marriage and make it illegal for me to get the medicine I'm on. Nothing like a little down-home American human rights abuses. He can't even condemn a terrorist group when asked directly to.
  - idea_heroin 6y ago
    Pure hyperbole. If you think any of these items are even remotely close to happening you are living in a fantasy land. Biden and the rest of the DNC can’t even admit that a terrorist group (Antifa) exists despite being responsible for multiple murders, arson, and countless beatings. It’s just an idea, man!
    - jonsno56 6y ago
      Boohoohoo
  - _-david-_ 6y ago
    >Trump will break up my gay marriage Trump is first president to come into office already supporting gay marriage. >make it illegal for me to get the medicine I'm on You are going to need to explain this since as far as I can tell Trump has not attempted to make any medicine illegal. >Nothing like a little down-home American human rights abuses Will you explain this one as well? > He can't even condemn a terrorist group when asked directly to. Trump has denounced white supremcy like 20 times. https://thepostmillennial.com/over-20-times-trump-publicly-denounced-white-supremacy https://thepostmillennial.com/over-20-times-trump-publicly-d...
  - spinny 6y ago
    You gay marriage is safe, your medicine will probably become cheaper. He has condemned the antifa scum plenty of times
timmytokyo 6y ago
>President Donald Trump says he did not sanction Chinese officials further over the detention of Muslims in Xinjiang as he was in the "middle of a trade deal". >Mr Trump told the Axios news site that achieving a "great" deal meant he could not impose "additional sanctions". >The issue arose after allegations in a book by ex-Trump aide John Bolton. >Mr Bolton had alleged that at a summit last year Mr Trump gave Chinese President Xi Jinping the green light on building the camps in its western region, with the US leader saying it was "exactly the right thing to do". Mr Trump denies the allegation. >Axios says that when Mr Trump was asked why he had held off imposing further sanctions on Communist Party officials over the issue of the camps, he said: "Well, we were in the middle of a major trade deal. >"And when you're in the middle of a negotiation and then all of a sudden you start throwing additional sanctions on - we've done a lot. I put tariffs on China, which are far worse than any sanction you can think of." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833

There’s a lot to not like about Trump, but he’s literally the only one in 50 years who’s been willing to play for keeps on Chinese tariffs. And he’s been raked over the coals for it.

ansible 6y ago

And accomplished jack-all. The real problem is not China producing cheap steel, but human rights abuses, and censorship. 45 hasn't done anything about that.

abc-xyz 6y ago
Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done to stand up to China. I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him. - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies to move their manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, Taiwan, etc. (Biden admittedly said he would end Trump’s China tariffs, but the many companies that already left are unlikely to return), and even high end tech such as the iPhone is starting to get assembled outside China as well. - He was the first US President to speak directly with Taiwan's President since 1979. - He made the largest arms sale to Taiwan in the past few decades. - The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act and the Hong Kong Autonomy Act were signed under his administration. - The TAIPEI Act was signed under his administration. - The Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act was singed under his administration. - Meng Wanzhou was arrested under his administration (which dragged Canada into it because China decided to arbitrarily arrest Canadian citizens). - China Mobile was blocked from offering services in the US, citing national security risks. - Huawei was blocked from using Android and chips with US tech (which will effectively kill their mobiles once their stock runs out). - Huawei was blocked from building 5G networks (USA paid other nations to block them as well). - Hong Kong’s special status was revoked. - Universal Postal Union agreed to let countries raise postal rates after Trump threatened to leave - this means you’ll no longer be able to buy cheap junk from Aliexpress (and resellers like Wish) at no shipping cost (the receiving country was previously forced to deliver the products for free, even if you brought some toy for 10 cents). - Trump is pushing for WTO to drop China’s developing country status. - TikTok and WeChat (likely with more to come) would’ve been blocked by now if it wasn’t for judges temporarily blocking the bans. There's a reason China's GDP growth in 2019 was the lowest it's been since 1990, and there's a reason China's worldwide reputation is at an all-time low. That reason is Trump. It's also no surprise that all the nations that suffer the most from CCP's actions, such as Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc. tend to be pro-Trump.
- fuck_red_china 6y ago
  It is worth mentioning that his policies have simultaneously alienated the EU, making it more difficult to build a large coalition. That said, you're right that Trump has done more to curtail Red China than most prior presidents, at least individually. He'd likely have had a hard time anyway considering that Red China has bought a significant chunk of Europe and the developing world via her Belt and Road Initiative of debt-trap diplomacy.
- tracer4201 6y ago
  Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses? The first item in your list is President Trump calling the virus the Chinese virus. Aside from maybe bringing his supporters as a rallying cry, what does that actually achieve? It feels more like hollow political rhetoric and not something that delivers any kind of results. What do the arms sales achieve? Is it merely profit for the American industrial complex, or are you saying Hong Kong now has some chance against China in the event of a military conflict?
  - abc-xyz 6y ago
    Calling it the China/Chinese Virus helps continuously remind the world that China are 100% responsible for the pandemic. The only reason I’m voting for Trump is due to him being able/willing to stand up to China. It would be great if more politicians realized that China is an issue that will win/lose votes so I didn’t have to vote against the majority of my beliefs. As for arming Taiwan (I assume Hong Kong was a typo), well, it’s one of the best ways to help their country defend themselves from a Chinese invasion.
    - tracer4201 6y ago
      What does calling the virus the Chinese virus achieve? Does it solve the current crisis we are in? I’d like to go back to my original question - what is the substance or end result? And in your mind, what does it mean that Trump is willing to “stand up” to China? What is the net effect or outcome? Last I checked, there are over 200,000 Americans dead from the virus. The American President initially denied it was a real issue, going as far as to say it was a Democratic hoax. Then he started having daily conferences, somewhat acknowledging their seriousness of the situation, but insisting it would all just disappear. You can vote however you like, and no one here is asking you to tell us who you voted for. And I’m not asking you to justify your vote, although you indicated your candidate and your reasons why. I’d prefer to go back to a policy discussion. Arming Taiwan will help an American defense company increase its revenue for sure. But if we want to discuss impact on China, in a serious military conflict, Hong Kong has essentially zero chance of holding off a Chinese invasion. The larger point I’m trying to make is that it’s not clear to me what actual impact the current Presidents policies have had. He certainly has great sound bytes to portray himself as being tough on China, but from the list of items you provided, I would love to know what fundamentally has changed. The American President is fairly well known for exaggeration and hyperbole - he describes himself as the “best” or most informed on any particular topic. In his own words, his opponent is weak because his opponent will listen to scientists. I hope you’re able to disambiguate that tough words, whether it’s calling Mexicans rapists and criminals or saying the virus is the Chinese virus, don’t actually accomplish anything substantial other than maybe make you “feel good” or provide you confirmation on your beliefs on a particular topic. Separate note: I do find it ironic that as an American voter, you believe the same President, who has financial interests and even personal bank accounts in China, is “tough” on China in terms of any meaningful policy.

marsrover 6y ago

One of the reasons I voted for him this time, even though I didn't in 2016.

ReactiveJelly 6y ago
Maybe next year Trump will break up my gay marriage and make it illegal for me to get the medicine I'm on. Nothing like a little down-home American human rights abuses. He can't even condemn a terrorist group when asked directly to.
- idea_heroin 6y ago
  Pure hyperbole. If you think any of these items are even remotely close to happening you are living in a fantasy land. Biden and the rest of the DNC can’t even admit that a terrorist group (Antifa) exists despite being responsible for multiple murders, arson, and countless beatings. It’s just an idea, man!
  - jonsno56 6y ago
    Boohoohoo
- _-david-_ 6y ago
  >Trump will break up my gay marriage Trump is first president to come into office already supporting gay marriage. >make it illegal for me to get the medicine I'm on You are going to need to explain this since as far as I can tell Trump has not attempted to make any medicine illegal. >Nothing like a little down-home American human rights abuses Will you explain this one as well? > He can't even condemn a terrorist group when asked directly to. Trump has denounced white supremcy like 20 times. https://thepostmillennial.com/over-20-times-trump-publicly-denounced-white-supremacy https://thepostmillennial.com/over-20-times-trump-publicly-d...
- spinny 6y ago
  You gay marriage is safe, your medicine will probably become cheaper. He has condemned the antifa scum plenty of times

timmytokyo 6y ago

>President Donald Trump says he did not sanction Chinese officials further over the detention of Muslims in Xinjiang as he was in the "middle of a trade deal". >Mr Trump told the Axios news site that achieving a "great" deal meant he could not impose "additional sanctions". >The issue arose after allegations in a book by ex-Trump aide John Bolton. >Mr Bolton had alleged that at a summit last year Mr Trump gave Chinese President Xi Jinping the green light on building the camps in its western region, with the US leader saying it was "exactly the right thing to do". Mr Trump denies the allegation. >Axios says that when Mr Trump was asked why he had held off imposing further sanctions on Communist Party officials over the issue of the camps, he said: "Well, we were in the middle of a major trade deal. >"And when you're in the middle of a negotiation and then all of a sudden you start throwing additional sanctions on - we've done a lot. I put tariffs on China, which are far worse than any sanction you can think of." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833