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>Maybe if you believed in your argument you’d reply with your real account, not a green one. Looking at his karma which is barely anything in all accounts like

>Maybe if you believed in your argument you’d reply with your real account, not a green one. Looking at his karma which is barely anything in all accounts likely he has no real account. Also the usage of other accounts is likely a symptom of a post limit. Either he can respond to you with another account, or he can ignore you because he can't respond with the same account. Either way these actions are not sanctioned by the site. >You keep comparing apples to oranges in order to fabricate an argument. There is no systemic genocide perpetrated by the USA You can call it whatever you want. There was a sponsoring of troops by the US to slaughter people abroad for over a decade. Mass slaughter in the name of war rather than genocide. The chinese are not slaughtering people. They are putting them in concentration camps and educating them. Torture, Indoctrination and brainwashing are the more appropriate terms with the accurate sentiment. So yeah you're not wrong it is in way apples and oranges. Do you end terrorism by slaughtering terrorists? Or do you end terrorism by torturing, brainwashing and indoctrinating them? Pick the apple or the orange. Oh and in both cases there will be innocent bystanders affected.

DevKoala 6y ago
I am not defending the wars the USA has had. I also feel that the number of collateral damage in the past two decades has been absurd and unjustified. I did not vote for the man who allowed drone strikes on children. Thankfully, the United States has made an effort in the past four years to leave the Middle East. Nevertheless, this does not justify the actions of the CCP eradicating a whole culture and it’s people. The argument is still unsubstantiated. No global leaders besides the current POTUS are condemning this behavior either, which is a shame. I can only vote with my wallet.
- roidnerp 6y ago
  I never justified it. Nothing was justified here at all. There was also no argument made by me. Nor did I say you were defending the US. All I asked was a question: What action should you take if there are repeated terrorist acts happening in your country where people are slaughtered by the hundreds? You only know the origin of these terror attacks originate from a specific cultural ethnic group, and you know you need to stop the attacks now or the next attack could harm your family. It's a hard question, but posing a hard question isn't a justification of of the atrocities committed by China. It's more of an illustration of the complexity of the situation and an illustration of the darker capabilities that can erupt from within every individual when the situation is extreme... Anyway the question still stands... what would you do? The other part of the of the question is to help people rise to a higher level and analyze the full complexity of the situation rather than have a simple minded gut reaction to everything. The world is complex and no single action can really be placed in a "justified" box or an "unjustified" box, yet this is how people think.
  - DevKoala 6y ago
    You go after the terrorist organization. Not people who aren’t terrorists. Don’t paint the Uighurs as terrorists. There are millions missing. You tell me they all were a threat to China’s national security? This is the pretext for genocide? How is this a question? “They attacked China with knifes, isn’t China in the right for erasing them out of existence?” This is the worst argument I have seen on Hacker News.
    - nerdtime 6y ago
      >You go after the terrorist organization. Not people who aren’t terrorists. Don’t paint the Uighurs as terrorists. Nobody is painting a race as terrorists. You're exaggerating. It's quite obvious I'm not doing that. But what is real is that these terrorists are part of the Uighur race, so the Chinese will exclusively target the race. Their actions segregate by race but at the same time is a logical course of action. The US has done the same. Do you search for muslim terrorists among people of the japanese race or of the middle eastern race? Think logically. To be people led astray by bias such actions are racist but logically the probabilities are real: A middle eastern man is far more likely to be a terrorist then a Japanese man. If you are incapable of thinking about this concept logically then I suggest you go to another forum that fits your tastes. >How is this a question? “They attacked China with knifes, isn’t China in the right for erasing them out of existence?” This isn't a question about rights. It's a question about safety. It's more like among the Uighurs there are people with knives that can attack any moment. These people can attack and kill members of my family at any time. I don't know who they are but I do know that they exists and that they are of the Uighur race even though not all Uighurs are terrorists. What do I do to protect my life and the life of Chinese society right now? I have little time to act before the next attack slaughters hundreds. Likely to prevent another massacre I have to act quickly and prevent That is the true scope and complexity of this question. >This is the worst argument I have seen on Hacker News. I feel hacker news is too intelligent for one track minds who can't comprehend the magnitude of the situation from multiple angles. To you the world is black and white: China is only a evil country out to stamp out the Uighur race and that is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. How about China is a multifaceted complex country that has complex rationale behind every action it takes. Just like how a typical human being isn't purely a good guy or a bad guy China is the same shade of grey. Every action it takes has a cost and a benefit, and every action has a better one that could've been taken in retrospect. If you can't see deeper into the situation and you only have this one track attitude then yeah I can see how this is the worst argument you've ever seen in your life.
- nerdtime 6y ago
  Nobody said you were defending the US. Nobody tried to justify anything. No argument was made in favor of anything. All he asked you was a question: If there were terrorist attacks happening today that are responsible for killing hundreds of americans with no end in sight how would you stop it? What actions would you take to shut down these terrorist cells as fast as possible? What compromises would you make? The only thing you know is that the terrorist acts come from a small cultural ethnic group and that your family could be part of the next attack. If you knew the perfect answer to this question that could be answered without compromising a single ethical principle, than likely China would've known the answer as well.

DevKoala 6y ago

I am not defending the wars the USA has had. I also feel that the number of collateral damage in the past two decades has been absurd and unjustified. I did not vote for the man who allowed drone strikes on children. Thankfully, the United States has made an effort in the past four years to leave the Middle East. Nevertheless, this does not justify the actions of the CCP eradicating a whole culture and it’s people. The argument is still unsubstantiated. No global leaders besides the current POTUS are condemning this behavior either, which is a shame. I can only vote with my wallet.

roidnerp 6y ago
I never justified it. Nothing was justified here at all. There was also no argument made by me. Nor did I say you were defending the US. All I asked was a question: What action should you take if there are repeated terrorist acts happening in your country where people are slaughtered by the hundreds? You only know the origin of these terror attacks originate from a specific cultural ethnic group, and you know you need to stop the attacks now or the next attack could harm your family. It's a hard question, but posing a hard question isn't a justification of of the atrocities committed by China. It's more of an illustration of the complexity of the situation and an illustration of the darker capabilities that can erupt from within every individual when the situation is extreme... Anyway the question still stands... what would you do? The other part of the of the question is to help people rise to a higher level and analyze the full complexity of the situation rather than have a simple minded gut reaction to everything. The world is complex and no single action can really be placed in a "justified" box or an "unjustified" box, yet this is how people think.
- DevKoala 6y ago
  You go after the terrorist organization. Not people who aren’t terrorists. Don’t paint the Uighurs as terrorists. There are millions missing. You tell me they all were a threat to China’s national security? This is the pretext for genocide? How is this a question? “They attacked China with knifes, isn’t China in the right for erasing them out of existence?” This is the worst argument I have seen on Hacker News.
  - nerdtime 6y ago
    >You go after the terrorist organization. Not people who aren’t terrorists. Don’t paint the Uighurs as terrorists. Nobody is painting a race as terrorists. You're exaggerating. It's quite obvious I'm not doing that. But what is real is that these terrorists are part of the Uighur race, so the Chinese will exclusively target the race. Their actions segregate by race but at the same time is a logical course of action. The US has done the same. Do you search for muslim terrorists among people of the japanese race or of the middle eastern race? Think logically. To be people led astray by bias such actions are racist but logically the probabilities are real: A middle eastern man is far more likely to be a terrorist then a Japanese man. If you are incapable of thinking about this concept logically then I suggest you go to another forum that fits your tastes. >How is this a question? “They attacked China with knifes, isn’t China in the right for erasing them out of existence?” This isn't a question about rights. It's a question about safety. It's more like among the Uighurs there are people with knives that can attack any moment. These people can attack and kill members of my family at any time. I don't know who they are but I do know that they exists and that they are of the Uighur race even though not all Uighurs are terrorists. What do I do to protect my life and the life of Chinese society right now? I have little time to act before the next attack slaughters hundreds. Likely to prevent another massacre I have to act quickly and prevent That is the true scope and complexity of this question. >This is the worst argument I have seen on Hacker News. I feel hacker news is too intelligent for one track minds who can't comprehend the magnitude of the situation from multiple angles. To you the world is black and white: China is only a evil country out to stamp out the Uighur race and that is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. How about China is a multifaceted complex country that has complex rationale behind every action it takes. Just like how a typical human being isn't purely a good guy or a bad guy China is the same shade of grey. Every action it takes has a cost and a benefit, and every action has a better one that could've been taken in retrospect. If you can't see deeper into the situation and you only have this one track attitude then yeah I can see how this is the worst argument you've ever seen in your life.
nerdtime 6y ago
Nobody said you were defending the US. Nobody tried to justify anything. No argument was made in favor of anything. All he asked you was a question: If there were terrorist attacks happening today that are responsible for killing hundreds of americans with no end in sight how would you stop it? What actions would you take to shut down these terrorist cells as fast as possible? What compromises would you make? The only thing you know is that the terrorist acts come from a small cultural ethnic group and that your family could be part of the next attack. If you knew the perfect answer to this question that could be answered without compromising a single ethical principle, than likely China would've known the answer as well.