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> This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. That was the start of Chinese persecution of the Uyghurs, but the current leader

> This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. That was the start of Chinese persecution of the Uyghurs, but the current leadership in China has adopted a broad policy of persecuting racial minorities. I'm not sure what their ultimate motivations are but they are targeting many, if not most, of China's non-Han ethnic groups without regard to whether they pose a terrorism risk or not.

nerdtime 6y ago
Curious, yeah this is interesting. The powers gained to quell the terrorism seem to be getting used to fulfill ulterior motives, not to different from the presidential powers gained after 9/11. Seems to be a common phenomenon. Do you have a source where I can start reading more about this stuff?
- bleepblorp 6y ago
  Here's a few reasonably recent articles: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/21/world/asia/china-islam-crackdown.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/21/world/asia/china-islam-cr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Inner_Mongolia_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Inner_Mongolia_protests https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/30/chinese-communist-party-han-baby-boom-sterilization-ethnic-minorities/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/30/chinese-communist-party... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/chairman-xi-seeks-only-to-purge-and-subjugate-that-is-his-weakness https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/chairman-xi-se...
dirtyid 6y ago
>targeting many, if not most Not really. Barely a handful out of 54 minority groups that accounts for ~2% of the population. Most are left alone because most of minorities are already sinicized and "compatible" with broader Chinese society. > ultimate motivations This is really simple confluence of two major policy changes. 1. New minority policy, no more minority privileges like family planning exemptions from 2 child policy. Particular focus on mandarin fluency to integrate into broader society. Uyghur, Tibet, Mongolia etc, this is important because 99% of China operates on Mandarin, those who aren't fluent gets left behind. Above minority populations also have large rural populations whose lifestyles (agrarian, herding etc) are being phased out due to new land use policies regarding agriculture (food security). Which means urbanization, so there's also a lot of rural-urban labour transfer programs to up train people, i.e. the entire vocational training west portray as slave labour has been regular program in many provinces for at least 10 years for millions of rural Han. 2. New religion policy, rather _A_ religion policy. There simply was never a proper framework for regulating religion post CCP, leading to all sorts of drama. Not just in terms of prosecution, but illegal temples and other unregulated schemes. Lot's of tomfoolery in explosive growth of Chinese buddhism. Essentially, regulate religion, religion must have Chinese characteristics and conform to socialism. Not new policy, always relevant. 3. Groups that participate in 3 evils, separatism, terrorism, religious extremism get stomped: Uyghurs, Tibetans, HK, Taiwan when that comes around. Basically, stop 3 evils, spread mandarin, control religion, vocational training for ultimate development goal: urbanization and better rural land use. This is inevitable byproduct of Chinese population size + land constraints. Mix and match interventions, if you're a very religious, rural Uyghur who speaks no mandarin and have no employable skills, you get everything. If you're a Tibetan herder, you get some mandarin lessons and vocation training. If you're a Mongolia urbnite, make sure your kids know mandarin.

nerdtime 6y ago

Curious, yeah this is interesting. The powers gained to quell the terrorism seem to be getting used to fulfill ulterior motives, not to different from the presidential powers gained after 9/11. Seems to be a common phenomenon. Do you have a source where I can start reading more about this stuff?

bleepblorp 6y ago
Here's a few reasonably recent articles: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/21/world/asia/china-islam-crackdown.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/21/world/asia/china-islam-cr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Inner_Mongolia_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Inner_Mongolia_protests https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/30/chinese-communist-party-han-baby-boom-sterilization-ethnic-minorities/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/30/chinese-communist-party... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/chairman-xi-seeks-only-to-purge-and-subjugate-that-is-his-weakness https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/chairman-xi-se...

dirtyid 6y ago

>targeting many, if not most Not really. Barely a handful out of 54 minority groups that accounts for ~2% of the population. Most are left alone because most of minorities are already sinicized and "compatible" with broader Chinese society. > ultimate motivations This is really simple confluence of two major policy changes. 1. New minority policy, no more minority privileges like family planning exemptions from 2 child policy. Particular focus on mandarin fluency to integrate into broader society. Uyghur, Tibet, Mongolia etc, this is important because 99% of China operates on Mandarin, those who aren't fluent gets left behind. Above minority populations also have large rural populations whose lifestyles (agrarian, herding etc) are being phased out due to new land use policies regarding agriculture (food security). Which means urbanization, so there's also a lot of rural-urban labour transfer programs to up train people, i.e. the entire vocational training west portray as slave labour has been regular program in many provinces for at least 10 years for millions of rural Han. 2. New religion policy, rather _A_ religion policy. There simply was never a proper framework for regulating religion post CCP, leading to all sorts of drama. Not just in terms of prosecution, but illegal temples and other unregulated schemes. Lot's of tomfoolery in explosive growth of Chinese buddhism. Essentially, regulate religion, religion must have Chinese characteristics and conform to socialism. Not new policy, always relevant. 3. Groups that participate in 3 evils, separatism, terrorism, religious extremism get stomped: Uyghurs, Tibetans, HK, Taiwan when that comes around. Basically, stop 3 evils, spread mandarin, control religion, vocational training for ultimate development goal: urbanization and better rural land use. This is inevitable byproduct of Chinese population size + land constraints. Mix and match interventions, if you're a very religious, rural Uyghur who speaks no mandarin and have no employable skills, you get everything. If you're a Tibetan herder, you get some mandarin lessons and vocation training. If you're a Mongolia urbnite, make sure your kids know mandarin.