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Early in the pandemic I wondered if all of the isolation would have the same effect here - fewer deaths due to driving, flying, flu, etc. But the CDC says we’ve

Early in the pandemic I wondered if all of the isolation would have the same effect here - fewer deaths due to driving, flying, flu, etc. But the CDC says we’ve had 300000 excess deaths this year: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm... Really makes one wonder about differences in the US and Swedish population, especially regarding widespread obesity and diabetes.

mrfusion 6y ago
Lockdowns equal suicides, overeating, lack of exercise, collapse of support networks, domestic violence, delayed preventative care, and more. I’m not surprised at all that domestic deaths went up.
- phreeza 6y ago
  Excess deaths went down, not up, during very strict lockdowns in European countries as measured by EuroMomo data. Excess deaths also correlate quite well with reported corona deaths in this and the US dataset. Both these facts point towards excess deaths being mostly corona-related, and not lockdown-related.
  - totony 6y ago
    Mental issues have longer term consequence. I wouldn't assume that a few months of lockdown will cause a suicide spike as to compare to most new diseases. Isolation will affect social life which will affect mental health which will affect social life etc. E.g. I'd assume consequences to recursively culmulate even after lockdowns have ended. Which arguably would increase suicides and decrease general happiness for a time longer than the lockdowns. Lockdowns also reduce other causes of death which may participate in that (reportedly) high correlation between excess death and covid deaths.
    - phreeza 6y ago
      I agree that there may be longer term consequences to a lockdown, but the way I read OPs comment was that they were implying that the current excess deaths were in fact attributable to these effects. Fwiw I can also imagine long term consequences like PTSD in people from heavily affected regions like northern Italy.

mrfusion 6y ago

Lockdowns equal suicides, overeating, lack of exercise, collapse of support networks, domestic violence, delayed preventative care, and more. I’m not surprised at all that domestic deaths went up.

phreeza 6y ago
Excess deaths went down, not up, during very strict lockdowns in European countries as measured by EuroMomo data. Excess deaths also correlate quite well with reported corona deaths in this and the US dataset. Both these facts point towards excess deaths being mostly corona-related, and not lockdown-related.
- totony 6y ago
  Mental issues have longer term consequence. I wouldn't assume that a few months of lockdown will cause a suicide spike as to compare to most new diseases. Isolation will affect social life which will affect mental health which will affect social life etc. E.g. I'd assume consequences to recursively culmulate even after lockdowns have ended. Which arguably would increase suicides and decrease general happiness for a time longer than the lockdowns. Lockdowns also reduce other causes of death which may participate in that (reportedly) high correlation between excess death and covid deaths.
  - phreeza 6y ago
    I agree that there may be longer term consequences to a lockdown, but the way I read OPs comment was that they were implying that the current excess deaths were in fact attributable to these effects. Fwiw I can also imagine long term consequences like PTSD in people from heavily affected regions like northern Italy.