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Ask HN: I just wasted 4 years of my life. Now what?
Hi HN, this is a long one - grab your popcorn.
[Removed some background info due to length, but the gist was that I’ve had the entrepreneurial bug for as long as I can remember]
I just graduated from the General Engineering program [1] at the University of Illinois in December, and I can tell you that my time spent at UIUC was absolutely horrible. Year after year, I was told things would get better- “These are just weed out classes, don’t worry. Things get better after this.” Year after year, things stayed the same. In four years, I never felt inspired or motivated. I tried switching majors, but was strongly advised against it due to a weak job market in the target field (industrial design). I couldn’t drop out or start over, because upwards of $100,000 was on the table for my education. I was surrounded my classmates who didn’t give a shit about engineering or learning – their priority was making it through the week so they could get trashed on the weekends. For a guy who doesn’t drink, it’s difficult to socialize with these kinds of people. I laid low and pushed forward. I studied for exams and did homework, but I never felt like I was an engineer. I always felt like I was just doing busy work and that none of it really mattered. I never felt like I was learning. Perhaps it was just my program, but you can imagine my distaste for engineering that was built up over the 4 year period. It was the worst 4 years of my life.
Now that I’ve graduated, apparently I am supposed to be looking for an engineering job. But I’m not, for two reasons. The first is that I feel as though I am severely underqualified. My final GPA is somewhat low (2.9) as the result of taking almost no GPA-boosting gen ed courses, and I have never participated in an engineering internship. Instead, I spent time helping entrepreneurial family members build their businesses and worked on building businesses of my own. Ultimately, most of my personal business endeavors failed, but the experience gained was invaluable. The second reason is that I have a strong distaste for engineering, and could not picture myself being an engineer or working in an engineering-related field.
It’s not all bad, though. About 6 weeks before graduating (Dec ’10), I had the urge to learn Ruby on Rails. I have always been computer literate and tech savvy (html + css), but computer science seemed like an elusive, mystical thing. Programming? That’s only for really, really smart kids, right? Wrong. Turns out it’s actually pretty easy. I started reading a few tutorials in late October and things finally clicked in January. Since then, I’ve been programming constantly. I code for 10-16 hours a day until I get burnt out and fall asleep, then I wake up and do it again. I love every minute of it. My desires go beyond being a code monkey for the rest of my life, but for the time being, it’s wonderful. I love the startup scene and I could see myself doing this for the next few years.
Since January, here’s what I’ve made:
www.letspocket.com – note-taking tool (my first app)
www.madebyloren.com – blog engine written from scratch, with admin and comment system
www.peak4x4.com – full-featured offroad enthusiast network, with tagging, notifications, etc
www.boxify.me – file-sharing tool for groups (quick one-day app while AWS was down)
www.snowday2011.com – one-off t-shirt website aka “4-hour profitable startup”
In addition to the personal projects, I also built an inventory/tracking system for a biomedical waste processing facility, but the project is currently on hold due to founder issues.
I am thrilled with how far I’ve come over the past few months. I have I have tons and tons of ideas and I want to bring every one of them to life. I never thought hat I could build things like these, and here I am busting them out one after another. I’ve been so focused on learning and building since January that I’ve almost completely neglected monetizing. Funds are running so low that I probably won’t even be able to make next month’s rent. I would love to keep building apps, but it doesn’t seem feasible unless something changes (aka get a job or learn to monetize). So now I’m getting desperate.
Here’s my big dilemma: I am supposed to be seeking a job related to my area of study, but I want absolutely nothing to do with that field. I’ve fallen in love with programming, but I don’t feel as though I’m qualified enough for paid work. I have a wide variety of skills (design, UI, html + css + javascript, Ruby on Rails coding), but I’m not excellent at any of them. I am also somewhat unconventional, as I have yet to learn to write good tests or follow TDD, for example.
I am not opposed to working for a startup, but who wants to hire the self-taught guy with 6 months programming experience when they can hire the guy with years of experience and a comp sci degree to prove it?
I would enjoy freelance work (programming or design) but there are better programmers and better designers out there. I would also be competing for work with international freelancers who charge next to nothing on sites like freelancer.com.
So what do I do? Do I apply for the engineering job I have a slight chance at getting hired for, but will probably hate? Do I apply for programming positions that I am underqualified for? Do I attempt to compete for freelance jobs? I feel like I’m stuck.
I’m pouring my deepest thoughts out to perfect strangers. I would sincerely appreciate any advice and input you can offer. Thanks!
[1] For those of you who are unfamiliar, the General Engineering program is a cross-breed program where students study core engineering principals, but maintain a focus in another area of study (finance, business administration, etc). I chose entrepreurship as my focus.
- eof 16y agoStep 1. Apply for coding job. Step 2. Get coding job easily. You are easily qualified for a junior position. There is such a derth of talent compared to demand for anyone who can code, which you clearly can, that you will easily be able to find a job, assuming you can relocate. >I am not opposed to working for a startup, but who wants to hire the self-taught guy with 6 months programming experience when they can hire the guy with years of experience and a comp sci degree to prove it? No body; unless your engineering background helps with the project/domain. But that doesn't matter if you are just looking for 'any job'. You will easily find one. In programming people have learned (especially startups) that experience and education mean almost nothing compared to a few thousand lines of good code.
- nantes 16y agoAbsolutely agree. With the amount that you have produced in the last 6 months, I am envious. I did the CS degree, a year of grad school, an internship, and a couple undergrad research projects. Still, you've produced much more than I have in that time. Get out there and talk to people, someone will hire you. Also, take it from a guy who 'wasted' ~12 years working for a grocery chain, you've got plenty of time left. Forget the engineering stuff, do what you (obviously) love.
- angryasian 16y agoagree with both statements above. You just have to position yourself as a productive programmer. Although in terms of possibly engineering solutions or understanding concepts and fundamentals you may not be knowledgable, you produce product which says a lot by itself. In startups I think production trumps fundamentals, but not by much, but hopefully you'll work under someone that can teach you. to just comment on the entrepreneurial aspect you're looking to fulfill, you really lack focus. I fall under the same thing as throwing out many things and seeing what works, but hopefully you find a passion project that you can get behind and keep at it for some time. Being an entrepreneur is much more than product.
- jcr 16y agoEntrepreurship is simply engineering at a different level. The jump from building stuff to building businesses is significant, but if you enjoy building and enjoy challenge, then you may do very well.