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> And? Is the claim made more meaningful by these specifics? Yes? It's a different claim. Somebody doing X and a culture where many people turn a blind eye to

> And? Is the claim made more meaningful by these specifics? Yes? It's a different claim. Somebody doing X and a culture where many people turn a blind eye to and enable X aren't the same thing. > People who regularly meet and discuss things are aligned on the part that counts. They might not be organized, but they're definitely aligned We're talking about forums on the internet. Are you an I "aligned" because we had this discussion here? Also, please do respond to my edit. I'm still pretty clueless as to the better way to work the problem of powerful people turning a blind eye to and enabling lawbreaking by other powerful people other than just talking about it.

klmadfejno 6y ago
> Yes? It's a different claim. Somebody doing X and a culture where many people turn a blind eye to and enable X aren't the same thing. I don't think it makes a huge difference tbh. > We're talking about forums on the internet. Are you an I "aligned" because we had this discussion here? No. But this is a forum that generally frowns on and downvotes conspiracy theories. If you go to a forum that's primary function is discussing them, then I would say yes. > Also, please do respond to my edit. I'm still pretty clueless as to the better way to work the problem of powerful people turning a blind eye to and enabling lawbreaking by other powerful people other than just talking about it. >What is the right way to address e.g. the widespread availability of illegal prostitution in hotels owned by American companies in foreign countries? I saw a few news articles in the press exploring the phenomenon a few years back, but nothing changed. Am I supposed to found a non-profit? A newspaper? Do the investigation myself and publish it to LiveLeak? Write a letter to my congresswoman? I'm honestly not sure how to work that problem, other than just talking to other people about it. Well given that your theory could be wrong, yeah, you should probably either do the investigation yourself, fund someone else to do the investigation, or find a different problem to solve that is within your power to affect. Raising awareness of something in the form of a conspiracy theory delegitamizes it. For example, how legitamite anti human trafficking non-profits have had a harder time doing productive things due to conspiracy theory influence: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/qanons-obsession-with-savethechildren-is-making-it-harder-to-save-kids-from-traffickers/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/qanons-obsession-with-s...
- will4274 6y ago
  You said: > If you had a genuine interest in an issue that you wanted to raise in public awareness or do something to combat it, the route of the conspiracy theorist is an awfully dumb way to do it. I said: > What is the right way to address e.g. the widespread availability of illegal prostitution in hotels owned by American companies in foreign countries? And you said: > find a different problem to solve that is within your power to affect. You clearly haven't answered the question. "There are better ways to solve this problem." "What are the better ways to solve this problem?" "You should solve a different problem." This is not engaging in good faith - you've made assertions and then refused to back them up. Fwiw, I read the 538 article a few weeks back. They get more phone calls and also more donations and complain about the extra phone calls. I'm fairly certain the funding is worth more than the phone calls cost. So QAnon has actually helped here, if not in the way they intended, or as effectively as they could have. Claiming that a cost of a few phone calls significantly outweighs extra donations is just silly - and seems like the sort of political head-in-the-sand fake news that partisans publish constantly.
  - klmadfejno 6y ago
    I said "you should probably either do the investigation yourself, fund someone else to do the investigation, or find a different problem to solve that is within your power to affect."

klmadfejno 6y ago

> Yes? It's a different claim. Somebody doing X and a culture where many people turn a blind eye to and enable X aren't the same thing. I don't think it makes a huge difference tbh. > We're talking about forums on the internet. Are you an I "aligned" because we had this discussion here? No. But this is a forum that generally frowns on and downvotes conspiracy theories. If you go to a forum that's primary function is discussing them, then I would say yes. > Also, please do respond to my edit. I'm still pretty clueless as to the better way to work the problem of powerful people turning a blind eye to and enabling lawbreaking by other powerful people other than just talking about it. >What is the right way to address e.g. the widespread availability of illegal prostitution in hotels owned by American companies in foreign countries? I saw a few news articles in the press exploring the phenomenon a few years back, but nothing changed. Am I supposed to found a non-profit? A newspaper? Do the investigation myself and publish it to LiveLeak? Write a letter to my congresswoman? I'm honestly not sure how to work that problem, other than just talking to other people about it. Well given that your theory could be wrong, yeah, you should probably either do the investigation yourself, fund someone else to do the investigation, or find a different problem to solve that is within your power to affect. Raising awareness of something in the form of a conspiracy theory delegitamizes it. For example, how legitamite anti human trafficking non-profits have had a harder time doing productive things due to conspiracy theory influence: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/qanons-obsession-with-savethechildren-is-making-it-harder-to-save-kids-from-traffickers/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/qanons-obsession-with-s...

will4274 6y ago
You said: > If you had a genuine interest in an issue that you wanted to raise in public awareness or do something to combat it, the route of the conspiracy theorist is an awfully dumb way to do it. I said: > What is the right way to address e.g. the widespread availability of illegal prostitution in hotels owned by American companies in foreign countries? And you said: > find a different problem to solve that is within your power to affect. You clearly haven't answered the question. "There are better ways to solve this problem." "What are the better ways to solve this problem?" "You should solve a different problem." This is not engaging in good faith - you've made assertions and then refused to back them up. Fwiw, I read the 538 article a few weeks back. They get more phone calls and also more donations and complain about the extra phone calls. I'm fairly certain the funding is worth more than the phone calls cost. So QAnon has actually helped here, if not in the way they intended, or as effectively as they could have. Claiming that a cost of a few phone calls significantly outweighs extra donations is just silly - and seems like the sort of political head-in-the-sand fake news that partisans publish constantly.
- klmadfejno 6y ago
  I said "you should probably either do the investigation yourself, fund someone else to do the investigation, or find a different problem to solve that is within your power to affect."