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Been making music on and off for the past 20 years. Over the years, I've tried many ear training apps but there was little progress after hours of frustration.

by pier25 6y ago

Been making music on and off for the past 20 years. Over the years, I've tried many ear training apps but there was little progress after hours of frustration. A couple of months ago I found a very different method. The idea is is to internalize pitch by singing. For example, you play a triad on the piano and then sing the 3 notes individually. Or you train yourself to sing an interval. Say you're working on fifths. You play a C in the piano and then sing G, then play D and sing A, etc. I saw results within the first hour. If anyone is interested I can try to find the video where I got this from. Another method I can recommend is transcribing music by ear. You'll be amazed how quickly you will be able to find notes and then chords once you get more experience.

ggrrhh_ta 6y ago
I am interested. I put around 30 focused minutes to distinguish E5 and have been able to endure that memory both to recognize it in the piano and to sing it since.
sergeykish 6y ago
Yes, please. Are not interval training and perfect pitch different things? I'm mostly concentrating on confidence and quantity — one test / 5s, running hundreds of tests, trying to discard intervals and feel chroma.
memset 6y ago
Singing - perhaps you know this - is standard in ear training courses. We are required to sing intervals, sing Bach chorales, and sing chords in all inversions and qualities, and sing their resolutions. At advanced levels we are required to sing atonal passages. Then there is the inverse - melodic dictation. Not just identifying intervals, but chords, their qualities, and inversions. The goal of these is to develop relative pitch, as it is assumed that adults would generally not be able to acquire perfect pitch.
supz_k 6y ago
This is RELATIVE pitch, which anyone can develop. Perfect pitch is kind of a mystery. (However, there are some known dogs and frogs with perfect pitch)
- coffeemaniac 6y ago
  That's not true, by learning what it feels like to sing different notes it's absolutely possible to "learn" perfect pitch. There are some individuals of course who are born with a very acute sensitivity from a very young age (which is spooky) but there are also people who learn it later. If you can imagine learning to recognize and accurately sing just one particular note (say, middle C). Then if you develop amazing "relative" pitch it's basically the same thing. Training more still will enable you to hear very subtle differences in tuning, but it has to be a standard part of your training.
- pier25 6y ago
  So? I was just sharing my experience with ear training.
  - ehnto 6y ago
    To be fair, that wasn't clear just from your comment. You posted on a thread titled "Perfect Pitch Ear Training" and started with "I have been trying many traing apps..."
powersnail 6y ago
That's exactly how I was trained. The first step is always sight-singing. The teacher gave me a drone note (for example an A4), and I sang according to a sheet music. Not necessarily a triad, though. Then, it's the other way around, where the teacher played on a piano, and I tried to figure out the note.
- kelnos 6y ago
  > The first step is always sight-singing. The teacher gave me a drone note (for example an A4), and I sang according to a sheet music. That's a demonstration of relative pitch, not absolute/perfect pitch. > the teacher played on a piano, and I tried to figure out the note. It makes sense that you'd be able to retain it for a little bit, but could you, say, walk into your lesson, cold from the prior week, and immediately the teacher hits a note, and you identify it, without practicing first?
  - powersnail 6y ago
    Oh of course it’s just relative pitch. But a good relative pitch is really what playing music needs. I can; but that’s not because I have perfect pitch. I remember A4 (440 Hz) because I tune a violin daily. But compared with the real perfect pitch, my recall quickly fades in a few days if not practiced.
d883kd8 6y ago
Yes please share this video
pier25 6y ago
Sorry guys, I cannot seem to find the video. It was one of Rick Beato's videos, but he has so many about ear training that I cannot find the one where he goes through the basics of solfege.

by pier25 6y ago

ggrrhh_ta 6y ago

I am interested. I put around 30 focused minutes to distinguish E5 and have been able to endure that memory both to recognize it in the piano and to sing it since.

sergeykish 6y ago

Yes, please. Are not interval training and perfect pitch different things? I'm mostly concentrating on confidence and quantity — one test / 5s, running hundreds of tests, trying to discard intervals and feel chroma.

memset 6y ago

Singing - perhaps you know this - is standard in ear training courses. We are required to sing intervals, sing Bach chorales, and sing chords in all inversions and qualities, and sing their resolutions. At advanced levels we are required to sing atonal passages. Then there is the inverse - melodic dictation. Not just identifying intervals, but chords, their qualities, and inversions. The goal of these is to develop relative pitch, as it is assumed that adults would generally not be able to acquire perfect pitch.

supz_k 6y ago

This is RELATIVE pitch, which anyone can develop. Perfect pitch is kind of a mystery. (However, there are some known dogs and frogs with perfect pitch)

coffeemaniac 6y ago
That's not true, by learning what it feels like to sing different notes it's absolutely possible to "learn" perfect pitch. There are some individuals of course who are born with a very acute sensitivity from a very young age (which is spooky) but there are also people who learn it later. If you can imagine learning to recognize and accurately sing just one particular note (say, middle C). Then if you develop amazing "relative" pitch it's basically the same thing. Training more still will enable you to hear very subtle differences in tuning, but it has to be a standard part of your training.
pier25 6y ago
So? I was just sharing my experience with ear training.
- ehnto 6y ago
  To be fair, that wasn't clear just from your comment. You posted on a thread titled "Perfect Pitch Ear Training" and started with "I have been trying many traing apps..."

powersnail 6y ago

That's exactly how I was trained. The first step is always sight-singing. The teacher gave me a drone note (for example an A4), and I sang according to a sheet music. Not necessarily a triad, though. Then, it's the other way around, where the teacher played on a piano, and I tried to figure out the note.

kelnos 6y ago
> The first step is always sight-singing. The teacher gave me a drone note (for example an A4), and I sang according to a sheet music. That's a demonstration of relative pitch, not absolute/perfect pitch. > the teacher played on a piano, and I tried to figure out the note. It makes sense that you'd be able to retain it for a little bit, but could you, say, walk into your lesson, cold from the prior week, and immediately the teacher hits a note, and you identify it, without practicing first?
- powersnail 6y ago
  Oh of course it’s just relative pitch. But a good relative pitch is really what playing music needs. I can; but that’s not because I have perfect pitch. I remember A4 (440 Hz) because I tune a violin daily. But compared with the real perfect pitch, my recall quickly fades in a few days if not practiced.

d883kd8 6y ago

Yes please share this video

pier25 6y ago

Sorry guys, I cannot seem to find the video. It was one of Rick Beato's videos, but he has so many about ear training that I cannot find the one where he goes through the basics of solfege.