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You won't ever know if the company has erased your data. What incentive does a company have to clear a hard drive with your info on it, if you're not paying the

You won't ever know if the company has erased your data. What incentive does a company have to clear a hard drive with your info on it, if you're not paying them? The only way to re-balance the system is via legal fiat. Free market works when the company depends on the customer ("consumer"). As soon as you sign up, most free services don't have a free market incentive anymore to service the customer.

scsilver 6y ago
I think data privacy protection is different than regulating speach and should be handled differently. This is not unlike how we regulate real world forums and doctors managing personal information differently. Cant we have companies self regulate what gets posted on their platform while assuring that they are accountable for not abusing personal information.
- friendlybus 6y ago
  Not the point I'm making. Data "privacy protection" is carte blanche for a data holder to blackhole knowledge, against the user's will if desired. Regulating speech is a dying game either way. The people who profit from disruptive language need something to endlessly debate while the quietly agree on the outcome ahead of time. Disruptive language is fuel to their fire. >Cant we have companies self regulate what gets posted on their platform while assuring that they are accountable for not abusing personal information. You tell me, you're making a massive demand on a whim.
  - scsilver 6y ago
    Im failing to grasp your view. If you care to elaborate on what you mean by > Data "privacy protection" is carte blanche for a data holder to blackhole knowledge, against the user's will if desired. And > Disruptive Language I would love to continue the discussion. Im just not up on these terms
    - friendlybus 6y ago
      I'm figuring it out as a I go along, those aren't official terms. Say you run a discord channel and you own a chain of flower shops. You've just discovered a new technique of cutting flowers that gives you competitive edge and has far reaching implications across all your franchisees. Valuable information. You lay out how to do the cutting in immaculate detail, with your staff in discord. You go to sleep and wake up the next day. Discord has found you've broken some rule, banned you and banned any mention of the technique. You lose your account. You & your staff can no longer talk about flower cutting on discord. Discord did not delete the data, it still has the details of this technique laid out on their servers. Your staff work remote so you contact them primarily through social media. You find that your communications about this topic are not getting through. That's the black-hole, they retain the information, you can't access it or discuss it. On their arbitrary whim. What recourse do we have to make discord delete a trade secret, or any secret? My flowershop competitors suddenly starts implementing the technique I discussed therefore is Discord ever liable for a data leak? Writing on a bright website like HN is enough to make sure I can probably see what I type later on, at archive.org. Anything you put into certain cloud services is going down with the ship, when it wants to blackhole your data. _ Disruptive language is that game we saw a few years ago. You endlessly drill down and analyze the definitions of individual words to establish a new meaning that changes the game. One or two words carry the weight of the future, currently it's 'hierarchy' across all the intellectuals. They just then endlessly debate their worldview and how they relate to one-another whilst silently agreeing on the all the implications of a single word someone else defined for them. So sure, regulate language. The definitions of words have already been disrupted, the only thing left to do is get everyone pointing in the same direction and frankly it's like watching paint dry. Inevitable and speeds up with more hot air. It's amazing how much of the world is basically talk-radio writ large at the moment and so little novel information is being said.

scsilver 6y ago

I think data privacy protection is different than regulating speach and should be handled differently. This is not unlike how we regulate real world forums and doctors managing personal information differently. Cant we have companies self regulate what gets posted on their platform while assuring that they are accountable for not abusing personal information.

friendlybus 6y ago
Not the point I'm making. Data "privacy protection" is carte blanche for a data holder to blackhole knowledge, against the user's will if desired. Regulating speech is a dying game either way. The people who profit from disruptive language need something to endlessly debate while the quietly agree on the outcome ahead of time. Disruptive language is fuel to their fire. >Cant we have companies self regulate what gets posted on their platform while assuring that they are accountable for not abusing personal information. You tell me, you're making a massive demand on a whim.
- scsilver 6y ago
  Im failing to grasp your view. If you care to elaborate on what you mean by > Data "privacy protection" is carte blanche for a data holder to blackhole knowledge, against the user's will if desired. And > Disruptive Language I would love to continue the discussion. Im just not up on these terms
  - friendlybus 6y ago
    I'm figuring it out as a I go along, those aren't official terms. Say you run a discord channel and you own a chain of flower shops. You've just discovered a new technique of cutting flowers that gives you competitive edge and has far reaching implications across all your franchisees. Valuable information. You lay out how to do the cutting in immaculate detail, with your staff in discord. You go to sleep and wake up the next day. Discord has found you've broken some rule, banned you and banned any mention of the technique. You lose your account. You & your staff can no longer talk about flower cutting on discord. Discord did not delete the data, it still has the details of this technique laid out on their servers. Your staff work remote so you contact them primarily through social media. You find that your communications about this topic are not getting through. That's the black-hole, they retain the information, you can't access it or discuss it. On their arbitrary whim. What recourse do we have to make discord delete a trade secret, or any secret? My flowershop competitors suddenly starts implementing the technique I discussed therefore is Discord ever liable for a data leak? Writing on a bright website like HN is enough to make sure I can probably see what I type later on, at archive.org. Anything you put into certain cloud services is going down with the ship, when it wants to blackhole your data. _ Disruptive language is that game we saw a few years ago. You endlessly drill down and analyze the definitions of individual words to establish a new meaning that changes the game. One or two words carry the weight of the future, currently it's 'hierarchy' across all the intellectuals. They just then endlessly debate their worldview and how they relate to one-another whilst silently agreeing on the all the implications of a single word someone else defined for them. So sure, regulate language. The definitions of words have already been disrupted, the only thing left to do is get everyone pointing in the same direction and frankly it's like watching paint dry. Inevitable and speeds up with more hot air. It's amazing how much of the world is basically talk-radio writ large at the moment and so little novel information is being said.