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As a thought experiment, I think the best course of action for these freelance pen testers - assuming they incur no actual liabilities for being wrong - is to s
by kthejoker2 6y ago
As a thought experiment, I think the best course of action for these freelance pen testers - assuming they incur no actual liabilities for being wrong - is to simply declare everything they test "secure" without putting any actual effort into it at all.
If they can manage to do this at any scale whatsoever, there is basically no downside, because there's a huge disconnect between the impact of a false negative (site breached, data stolen, etc.) and the impact to them (a 1-star review - even in your nightmare scenario as a customer, you still give them a score of 20%!)
1) A large number of the people who come to them will have actually produced secure code, so broken clock theory prevails, and there's no downside.
2) Another large subset will never generate enough interest among hackers to exploit their insecure code; a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it.
3) Another subset still will never know they've been breached and have cause to action.
4) If a company does learn they've been breached, they still must connect the dots to the failure of the pen tester.
5) And even then ... 1 star and some bad PR!
And of course if there were actual liabilities, they wouldn't be charging $35 on a freelance site.
- wrkronmiller 6y agoCounterpoint: if they find _nothing_ wrong, then whoever hired them has potentially failed to justify their job. Better to find minor, easily fixed, bugs I'd think.
- Fnoord 6y agoYou can't expect a manual pentest for €35 or anything near that ballpark. A proper pentest includes manual labour (such as the mentioned examples). It also includes a lot of documentation in the report. For example, recon data. They could also include we checked X for Y but did not found any issues. Nothing is 100% secure, and if you don't find anything after extensive manual testing it is, well, going to be a boring report, because you still have to document everything. It also feels like a failure (which is why the honeypot was a little bit mean, though clever as well given goal of post). CEH is a joke btw. No serious pentester puts that on their resume. Its a waste of time to get thst certificate. OSCP is the gold standard. In short, you pay peanuts you get monkeys and CEH is a red flag. OSCP is a green flag.