Agreed. And just to say, managing k8s on own hardware(or in cloud VM's) is a full-time position, which means you probably need more than 1 actual employee in t

Agreed. And just to say, managing k8s on own hardware(or in cloud VM's) is a full-time position, which means you probably need more than 1 actual employee in that role, especially if you are a 24/7 shop, where you need 24/7 uptime and suddenly k8s is costing you a few full-time people just to keep k8s alive and healthy. That's a HUGE cost. I manage nomad on the side, I spend < 10% of my time babysitting nomad, consul and vault. Basically I just upgrade it occasionally. Otherwise I rarely think about it.