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...except Telegram X, their alternative Android client. > IMHO the only good argument against Telegram is that direct messages don't use end-to-end encryption

...except Telegram X, their alternative Android client. > IMHO the only good argument against Telegram is that direct messages don't use end-to-end encryption by default. I'd add two more: 1. End-to-end encryption being device-specific. Example: if you start a secret chat from your phone, you can't view it on your other devices. Other end-to-end encrypted solutions don't have this drawback. 2. End-to-end encryption being available only in one-to-one communications. Take this with a grain of salt, but I don't think it's available at all in group chats and channels.

leetcrew 6y ago
taken individually, these all seem like minor nitpicks. but together, they make for a pretty high-friction E2E experience on telegram. the first time I try to have a "secret chat" with someone, it's often the first time they realize that telegram isn't E2E by default or that it even has that feature! I have to wonder about the design decisions made here. it seems pretty obvious that the combination of limitations is going to result in the vast majority of messages not being E2E. in practice, "secret chat" on telegram is only worth the trouble when both participants understand they are doing something shady.
- vbezhenar 6y ago
  For me device-limited E2E is actually a feature as I'm sure that no kind of weird sync stuff will leak my data from the device.
eznzt 6y ago
Also, E2E chats are not available on the desktop version of Telegram.
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ffpip 6y ago
Telegram X is made by a different unofficial dev. Telegram has an open API. You can build your own clients.
- input_sh 6y ago
  It's published by Telegram LLC on Google Play. Can't be more official than Telegram itself distributing it.
  - ffpip 6y ago
    Telegram's official dev account is 'Telegram FZ-LLC'. https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Telegram+FZ-LLC https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Telegram+FZ-... Telegram X is not the official version.It is an unofficial client for testing design and app speed. It has a different UI

leetcrew 6y ago

taken individually, these all seem like minor nitpicks. but together, they make for a pretty high-friction E2E experience on telegram. the first time I try to have a "secret chat" with someone, it's often the first time they realize that telegram isn't E2E by default or that it even has that feature! I have to wonder about the design decisions made here. it seems pretty obvious that the combination of limitations is going to result in the vast majority of messages not being E2E. in practice, "secret chat" on telegram is only worth the trouble when both participants understand they are doing something shady.

vbezhenar 6y ago
For me device-limited E2E is actually a feature as I'm sure that no kind of weird sync stuff will leak my data from the device.

eznzt 6y ago

Also, E2E chats are not available on the desktop version of Telegram.

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ffpip 6y ago

Telegram X is made by a different unofficial dev. Telegram has an open API. You can build your own clients.

input_sh 6y ago
It's published by Telegram LLC on Google Play. Can't be more official than Telegram itself distributing it.
- ffpip 6y ago
  Telegram's official dev account is 'Telegram FZ-LLC'. https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Telegram+FZ-LLC https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Telegram+FZ-... Telegram X is not the official version.It is an unofficial client for testing design and app speed. It has a different UI