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Yikes. No matter what your opinion on his opinion, the CEO of a financial company sending an email like this looks bad. Whatever happened to the concept of tryi

Yikes. No matter what your opinion on his opinion, the CEO of a financial company sending an email like this looks bad. Whatever happened to the concept of trying to keep politics and business separate? Is every company going to have to publicly declare their political affiliation now? Not to mention that insisting that someone vote for your candidate or else is almost by definition anti-democratic.

dsr_ 6y ago
Politics and business aren't separate, or else industry lobbyists wouldn't be a thing.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  The link has nothing to do with industry lobbying.
  - dsr_ 6y ago
    Lobbying is, literally, representing the interests of your group to politicians in order to get your concerns addressed by the government. When the group is one or more businesses, we call it industry lobbying. This is representing the interests of a business to the electorate, in order to get their concerns addressed. Since the electorate is the appropriate governmental body in charge of selecting a new President, this is precisely industry lobbying.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    It's public lobbying. Public lobbying by companies is less common than lobbying aimed at legislators, but it does happen; see Lyft's recent Prop 22 messaging, for instance.
flipgimble 6y ago
If you actually read the email there is no “or else” or any other implied threat in there. So it’s rather disingenuous to add the implication when you simply don’t agree that the current political regime of Trumpism is steadily devolving the US into theocratic totalitarianism and a possible civil war. Given a plot to kidnap a Governor and a refusal to agree to a peaceful transfer of power, one must be in deep denial to not see the justification for this warning.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  This comment is really bizarre and I’m not sure how to respond. I’ll just point out that the plot to kidnap the governor had more ties to the anarchist left than to Trump.
  - dsr_ 6y ago
    Cite your sources, please.
    - ceilingcorner 6y ago
      https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/21/viral-image/looking-ideologies-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-suspect/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/21/viral-imag... A video clip shows another suspect, Brandon Caserta, standing in front of an anarchist flag saying Trump is a "tyrant.” The right wing media seems to want to associate the actions with the Left or BLM, which seems like a reach. But I don’t see how someone calling Trump a tyrant can possibly be associated with Trump himself.
      - dsr_ 6y ago
        You are citing a source in support of this statement: "I’ll just point out that the plot to kidnap the governor had more ties to the anarchist left than to Trump." and your source does not back that up, and now you are saying "seems like a reach" about the subject of your own statement.
        ceilingcorner 6y ago
        - One member of the group attended a BLM rally. - Anarchism is traditionally associated with the left (broadly, that is, not the Democratic (big D) left) and one of the members called Trump a tyrant with an anarchist flag in the background. Trump can't simultaneously be an anarchist and a tyrant. That makes no sense. I also remind you that I merely said "there is more evidence" than "it is directly connected."
      - 6y ago
rsynnott 6y ago
> Whatever happened to the concept of trying to keep politics and business separate? Er, what lead you to believe that was a thing?! Who, precisely, did you think was paying all those Washington (and Brussels, and so on) lobbyists?

dsr_ 6y ago

Politics and business aren't separate, or else industry lobbyists wouldn't be a thing.

ceilingcorner 6y ago
The link has nothing to do with industry lobbying.
- dsr_ 6y ago
  Lobbying is, literally, representing the interests of your group to politicians in order to get your concerns addressed by the government. When the group is one or more businesses, we call it industry lobbying. This is representing the interests of a business to the electorate, in order to get their concerns addressed. Since the electorate is the appropriate governmental body in charge of selecting a new President, this is precisely industry lobbying.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  It's public lobbying. Public lobbying by companies is less common than lobbying aimed at legislators, but it does happen; see Lyft's recent Prop 22 messaging, for instance.

flipgimble 6y ago

If you actually read the email there is no “or else” or any other implied threat in there. So it’s rather disingenuous to add the implication when you simply don’t agree that the current political regime of Trumpism is steadily devolving the US into theocratic totalitarianism and a possible civil war. Given a plot to kidnap a Governor and a refusal to agree to a peaceful transfer of power, one must be in deep denial to not see the justification for this warning.

ceilingcorner 6y ago
This comment is really bizarre and I’m not sure how to respond. I’ll just point out that the plot to kidnap the governor had more ties to the anarchist left than to Trump.
- dsr_ 6y ago
  Cite your sources, please.
  - ceilingcorner 6y ago
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/21/viral-image/looking-ideologies-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-suspect/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/21/viral-imag... A video clip shows another suspect, Brandon Caserta, standing in front of an anarchist flag saying Trump is a "tyrant.” The right wing media seems to want to associate the actions with the Left or BLM, which seems like a reach. But I don’t see how someone calling Trump a tyrant can possibly be associated with Trump himself.
    - dsr_ 6y ago
      You are citing a source in support of this statement: "I’ll just point out that the plot to kidnap the governor had more ties to the anarchist left than to Trump." and your source does not back that up, and now you are saying "seems like a reach" about the subject of your own statement.
      - ceilingcorner 6y ago
        - One member of the group attended a BLM rally. - Anarchism is traditionally associated with the left (broadly, that is, not the Democratic (big D) left) and one of the members called Trump a tyrant with an anarchist flag in the background. Trump can't simultaneously be an anarchist and a tyrant. That makes no sense. I also remind you that I merely said "there is more evidence" than "it is directly connected."
    - 6y ago

rsynnott 6y ago

> Whatever happened to the concept of trying to keep politics and business separate? Er, what lead you to believe that was a thing?! Who, precisely, did you think was paying all those Washington (and Brussels, and so on) lobbyists?