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I'm not sure we're improving anything when we discover some public good is flawed, mediocre, or maybe even a little corrupt and respond by tearing it down and r

I'm not sure we're improving anything when we discover some public good is flawed, mediocre, or maybe even a little corrupt and respond by tearing it down and replacing it with nothing. I think we've done enough of that. At this point I'm really only interested in positive proposals, what new stuff can we do? If we have a wave of new successes any old failures will fade out on their own.

pmontra 6y ago
Hossenfelder proposes the stuff at point 18 of http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/03/nonsense-arguments-for-building-bigger.html http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/03/nonsense-arguments-... I have no idea of they are something particle scientists do or if they belong to another branch of physics.
- jrumbut 6y ago
  Sure the base is covered, but I'm calling for "20 arguments for quantum gravity experiments" and #18 is "we've tried bigger and bigger particle colliders and the results are disappointing" Everything's disappointing, I am (ironically given my tone here) only interested in hearing from those leading with solutions.
  - btilly 6y ago
    Then read http://nautil.us/issue/45/power/what-quantum-gravity-needs-is-more-experiments http://nautil.us/issue/45/power/what-quantum-gravity-needs-i... linked to from point 18. In summary, the reason for quantum gravity experiments is that investigating contradictions in our theory has always been the best source of progress in science, and experiment has to lead theory. We know that QM and GR contradict each other, and therefore we should research that. She gives a variety of experiments that can research that. The equipment for which is of use in a variety of other sciences. (Particularly astronomy.)
- andi999 6y ago
  I am not conviced. I mean, you wouldnt want/know what to do with 5 Billion (just looked up the LHC value, I am not sure what the amount of the new proposed accelerators would be) for these kinds of experiments, probably 100 Million would be plenty. If you think that Iter is 15 Billion then 5 Billion doesnt sound so much. (Also in the grand Scheme of things like 50 Billion is not much)

pmontra 6y ago

Hossenfelder proposes the stuff at point 18 of http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/03/nonsense-arguments-for-building-bigger.html http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/03/nonsense-arguments-... I have no idea of they are something particle scientists do or if they belong to another branch of physics.

jrumbut 6y ago
Sure the base is covered, but I'm calling for "20 arguments for quantum gravity experiments" and #18 is "we've tried bigger and bigger particle colliders and the results are disappointing" Everything's disappointing, I am (ironically given my tone here) only interested in hearing from those leading with solutions.
- btilly 6y ago
  Then read http://nautil.us/issue/45/power/what-quantum-gravity-needs-is-more-experiments http://nautil.us/issue/45/power/what-quantum-gravity-needs-i... linked to from point 18. In summary, the reason for quantum gravity experiments is that investigating contradictions in our theory has always been the best source of progress in science, and experiment has to lead theory. We know that QM and GR contradict each other, and therefore we should research that. She gives a variety of experiments that can research that. The equipment for which is of use in a variety of other sciences. (Particularly astronomy.)
andi999 6y ago
I am not conviced. I mean, you wouldnt want/know what to do with 5 Billion (just looked up the LHC value, I am not sure what the amount of the new proposed accelerators would be) for these kinds of experiments, probably 100 Million would be plenty. If you think that Iter is 15 Billion then 5 Billion doesnt sound so much. (Also in the grand Scheme of things like 50 Billion is not much)