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If your definition of fairness is "we created an environment so toxic to an entire gender that they don't participate in it" Then sure.

draugadrotten 6y ago
Do you believe it is because of the toxic environment that CIS males don't participate in synchronized swimming.
- daleharvey 6y ago
  There is certainly systematic inequality between particular sports for sure. There is a difference though of course, being excluded from a sport can on an individual level be sad it certainly doesnt have the same impact as an entire gender being exluded from wealth and power.
- yokaze 6y ago
  Actually, I do. Not necessarily from the people doing synchronised swimming... Just imagine, if you yourself actually would like to do synchronised swimming, what would happen? How would the people around you react? How would that make you feel about it?
  - alextheparrot 6y ago
    A parallel experience I’ve had biases me towards expecting that people would most likely be supportive. I was the only guy in a hip hop dance class a friend invited me to - the instructor called out when I did moves right and generally made me feel like I was progressing. We should try things that interest us and be understanding that we won’t have the same status in those activities as the ones we’re good at. This isn’t to say that startup disparities are caused by personal anxiety (I personally believe the structural narrative more in that case). It is to say, though, that we sometimes build up personal barriers where none truly exist - especially for simple things like sports
    - yokaze 6y ago
      > This isn’t to say that startup disparities are caused by personal anxiety (I personally believe the structural narrative more in that case). I would say, it is not one or the other. If almost everyone of the same gender has the same fear, is it then a personal one? Isn't it reasonable to assume it to be the result of structural/cultural causes? Isn't that a problem by itself which is worthwhile to address regardless if the fear is founded or not. Sure, we should try to overcome our fears if they limit us, but I would claim, as a society we would be better of, if there wouldn't be a need in the first place. And yes, that applies to both genders, it just happens to be if we talk about career topics, it is usually one gender, that gets the short stick. If we look at emotional problems (suicide, crimes) it is the other.

draugadrotten 6y ago

Do you believe it is because of the toxic environment that CIS males don't participate in synchronized swimming.

daleharvey 6y ago
There is certainly systematic inequality between particular sports for sure. There is a difference though of course, being excluded from a sport can on an individual level be sad it certainly doesnt have the same impact as an entire gender being exluded from wealth and power.
yokaze 6y ago
Actually, I do. Not necessarily from the people doing synchronised swimming... Just imagine, if you yourself actually would like to do synchronised swimming, what would happen? How would the people around you react? How would that make you feel about it?
- alextheparrot 6y ago
  A parallel experience I’ve had biases me towards expecting that people would most likely be supportive. I was the only guy in a hip hop dance class a friend invited me to - the instructor called out when I did moves right and generally made me feel like I was progressing. We should try things that interest us and be understanding that we won’t have the same status in those activities as the ones we’re good at. This isn’t to say that startup disparities are caused by personal anxiety (I personally believe the structural narrative more in that case). It is to say, though, that we sometimes build up personal barriers where none truly exist - especially for simple things like sports
  - yokaze 6y ago
    > This isn’t to say that startup disparities are caused by personal anxiety (I personally believe the structural narrative more in that case). I would say, it is not one or the other. If almost everyone of the same gender has the same fear, is it then a personal one? Isn't it reasonable to assume it to be the result of structural/cultural causes? Isn't that a problem by itself which is worthwhile to address regardless if the fear is founded or not. Sure, we should try to overcome our fears if they limit us, but I would claim, as a society we would be better of, if there wouldn't be a need in the first place. And yes, that applies to both genders, it just happens to be if we talk about career topics, it is usually one gender, that gets the short stick. If we look at emotional problems (suicide, crimes) it is the other.