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Are you aware that the majority of drivers don't drive full time? If full time drivers don't like it or don't make enough they should apply for employment at a

Are you aware that the majority of drivers don't drive full time? If full time drivers don't like it or don't make enough they should apply for employment at a company that meets their needs. A lot of service workers depend on tips.

jonathan-neil 6y ago
Do you have any data to back that up? You have made claim after claim on this thread with absolutely zero references for the information. Impossible not to classify you as a shill at this point.
- xenospn 6y ago
  Absolutely a shill. I couldn't find anyone who supports Prop 22, even among several of my Uber/Lyft driver friends. They seem to the ones who are most opposed to it.
  - okareaman 6y ago
    I should have mentioned that your city matters. Fresno and Modesto absolutely suck for drivers. Not sure why anyone drives there.
- manquer 6y ago
  Bartenders, and waiters heavily dependent on tips. As non American visiting it is always taxing for me to figure what to tip. I am more accustomed to price including the waiters salary and rarely only tipping when service is truly exceptional. This is also the reason I and many others prefer ride shares, price is transparent and upfront, in traditional taxies the negotiations depends on your local knowledge, knowledge of drivers' language etc and your people skills and it takes effort.
  - mrguyorama 6y ago
    In regular taxis there is no negotiation. The meter says a number, you pay that number, and if the driver doesn't like it, that's their problem
    - manquer 6y ago
      You have only travelled in nice places then. A standard practice in many many places to take the unfamiliar passenger for a ride, taking the longer route, or going in circles just to run up the meter. While with gps and smartphones going in circles has come down, taking a different route, or other more subtle meter running happens still. It can be a lot worse with straight up cheating too. I have seen souped up meters which are not directly connected to odometers etc. I have also seen places where if you don't know the language and/or localite they will demand more than the meter and create a scene get nearby friends to support them. When running late to airport or someplace urgent pretending no change to charge more . The list of tricks go on, ridesharing did away with a lot of that. P.S. it is not all taxi drivers are evil or something, plenty of them have been really helpful in tough spots even the ones who ripped me off have come back to return a valuable item I missed.
djur 6y ago
The service industry underpaying their workers shouldn't be an excuse for expanding the practice. The tip economy should be rolled back, not allowed to spread.
appleflaxen 6y ago
> A lot of service workers depend on tips. This isn't a good argument that tips are a beneficial practice.
mepiethree 6y ago
But service workers are also usually employees and have disability and unemployment insurance. They also often pick their shift times. You can have flexibility without being a contractor.

jonathan-neil 6y ago

Do you have any data to back that up? You have made claim after claim on this thread with absolutely zero references for the information. Impossible not to classify you as a shill at this point.

xenospn 6y ago
Absolutely a shill. I couldn't find anyone who supports Prop 22, even among several of my Uber/Lyft driver friends. They seem to the ones who are most opposed to it.
- okareaman 6y ago
  I should have mentioned that your city matters. Fresno and Modesto absolutely suck for drivers. Not sure why anyone drives there.
manquer 6y ago
Bartenders, and waiters heavily dependent on tips. As non American visiting it is always taxing for me to figure what to tip. I am more accustomed to price including the waiters salary and rarely only tipping when service is truly exceptional. This is also the reason I and many others prefer ride shares, price is transparent and upfront, in traditional taxies the negotiations depends on your local knowledge, knowledge of drivers' language etc and your people skills and it takes effort.
- mrguyorama 6y ago
  In regular taxis there is no negotiation. The meter says a number, you pay that number, and if the driver doesn't like it, that's their problem
  - manquer 6y ago
    You have only travelled in nice places then. A standard practice in many many places to take the unfamiliar passenger for a ride, taking the longer route, or going in circles just to run up the meter. While with gps and smartphones going in circles has come down, taking a different route, or other more subtle meter running happens still. It can be a lot worse with straight up cheating too. I have seen souped up meters which are not directly connected to odometers etc. I have also seen places where if you don't know the language and/or localite they will demand more than the meter and create a scene get nearby friends to support them. When running late to airport or someplace urgent pretending no change to charge more . The list of tricks go on, ridesharing did away with a lot of that. P.S. it is not all taxi drivers are evil or something, plenty of them have been really helpful in tough spots even the ones who ripped me off have come back to return a valuable item I missed.

djur 6y ago

The service industry underpaying their workers shouldn't be an excuse for expanding the practice. The tip economy should be rolled back, not allowed to spread.

appleflaxen 6y ago

> A lot of service workers depend on tips. This isn't a good argument that tips are a beneficial practice.

mepiethree 6y ago

But service workers are also usually employees and have disability and unemployment insurance. They also often pick their shift times. You can have flexibility without being a contractor.