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I seriously think this was the last straw for Adobe and I. I just wanted to install an older version of an app (that I've paid for!) on an older computer. I've

I seriously think this was the last straw for Adobe and I. I just wanted to install an older version of an app (that I've paid for!) on an older computer. I've literally spent thousands of dollars on software that I can no longer use for no reason other than that they will no longer allow me to. The worst part seems to be that they've just killed links and information about this - so you have people presuming they can reinstall their own products only to find they cannot -- and their online searches of adobe-run knowledgebases are just dead ends.

tapland 6y ago
I see people running OSX Lion to run newer CS versions than CS3 because they can’t be installed on operating systems that have gotten security updates in the last five years. =\
- dylan604 6y ago
  What version of OSX was Lion? Snow Leopard 10.6 was the last one for the original cheese graters, and I know plenty of people running those and Final Cut 7 systems. It ain't broke, so they ain't fixin'. It's older SD tape based work flows that just ingest content from tape all day long, and then places it on the SAN for others workflows.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    Lion is 10.7, one after Snow Leopard. I’m not sure why you’d run 10.7 instead of either 10.6 or 10.8 (or 10.9) btw. Lion is buggier than the adjacent releases (which are really solid).
    - swiley 6y ago
      Lion was the last version of OSX that I ran. After having my hard drive corrupted twice by it I gave up and put Debian on my macbook.
      - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
        Lion is the Catalina of its era, right down to all the broken legacy apps (because no Rosetta). Catalina is much worse, mind you.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - rangibaby 6y ago
    Mac Pro 1,1 was officially supported to Lion, it can run up to and including El Capitan if you use a patched installer .
  - egorfine 6y ago
    The last cheese grater perfectly supports Big Sur, short of wireless drivers.
prox 6y ago
I switched to Affinity completely, and I also slowly see some people in the industry change. And for video, DaVinci Resolve. There might be cases were you’re tied to CS, but the bulk of the work can be done in these apps.
- risyachka 6y ago
  There is nothing standing in their way to do the same with their software in a couple of years.
  - oblib 6y ago
    Yeah, but you won't have lost near as much money if they do.
  - prox 6y ago
    Don’t think they will, Serif has always worked this way, at least not unless they seriously start to threaten Adobe with a bigger market share. Also I got 8 free updates that other companies would have asked money for. At least 2 big performance updates.
- chilldsgn 6y ago
  I've also switched to Affinity back in March, because of the fact that Creative Cloud was becoming too expensive for me and my crappy 3rd world income.
  - prox 6y ago
    That’s the big plus, it’s affordable and you own it, no more monthly pay outs.
- porker 6y ago
  What about a replacement for Adobe Acrobat Pro on (Windows)? That is the one app that keeps me having a Creative Cloud subscription. In a business setting I find it essential.
sorval 6y ago
I worked there. It was a greasy and miserable place run by people who should have retired long ago. Everything was waterfall development, and there was a yearly slave-rush to their miserable convention show, where only half the stuff really worked. No one really knew what they were doing. It was like a time machine back to 20 years ago. So glad I left.
- mdip 6y ago
  Thank you for confirming the things I have suspected for a long time. Maybe it's the path I took in the industry but I had the displeasure of having to automate the installation of Adobe security updates to tens of thousands of Windows boxes a decade ago right through having to (briefly) write software targeting a customer's Adobe Experience Manager product in the last couple of years. There's a long rant bubbling up about AEM, but I'll resist the temptation and just say a suitable 4-letter word, instead. Their products cost a fortune and for the privilege of forking over your hard-earned money, the company does things like this. I still own a license for one of the older versions of Photoshop post-Activation. I corrected it in a manner that would probably qualify as "cracking it" before ever activating after having run into grief with the product at my day job (at the time). Anymore, if there's a reasonable alternative, that's the kind of stupid I won't spend my money on.
- egypturnash 6y ago
  As a long time user of one of their tools (Illustrator, which I have a strong suspicion is not a prestigious team to work on) I have always suspected something like this. Sigh.
vr46 6y ago
I have officially given up on Adobe after 28 years, too. Even with the new features in Potatochop/Lightroom on image protection. I can't run my old software, or I can't obtain my old software, and CC is just a shitshow of processes permanently running and sucking up battery power. DaVinci Resolve is amazing. I'm becoming better and better with GIMP. CaptureOne is crappier to use but has much better output. Lightroom iOS works fine for freebie Instagram pics.
- kazinator 6y ago
  Google Chrome is giving up on Adobe Flash. Says it will be unsupported after Dec 2020.
  - Reason077 6y ago
    Even Adobe's own Flash updater is begging you to uninstall it now days.
- tambeb 6y ago
  > CC is just a shitshow of processes permanently running I HATE this so much that I have an AutoHotkey shortcut that I run after I'm done using any of the CC programs. It kills everything Adobe. I also have a Windows scheduled task that runs every 15 minutes that deletes any autoruns from Adobe in the registry, deletes any Adobe services, etc., because I found that they obnoxiously fully re-added things whenever I would open CC.
jjeaff 6y ago
Just use a pirated copy of the software you own. There are plenty of versions out there that don't require any activation, and for the most part, just work. As long as you own a legal copy, I can't see owning a cracked one as being illegal. Definitely not unethical.
- bborud 6y ago
  It would actually be interesting to have this tried in court.
  - Moru 6y ago
    In Sweden it's totally OK to fix a program you own so you can use it, no matter what the license says. This includes disassemly if necessary.
- otterley 6y ago
  Attorney here! (Not legal advice.) You are wrong. Software is generally licensed, not sold. The only person who "owns" Photoshop etc. is Adobe. The rest of us get mere licenses that we are subject to the terms of. Violate the terms, and you're subject to civil and potentially criminal penalties.

tapland 6y ago

I see people running OSX Lion to run newer CS versions than CS3 because they can’t be installed on operating systems that have gotten security updates in the last five years. =\

dylan604 6y ago
What version of OSX was Lion? Snow Leopard 10.6 was the last one for the original cheese graters, and I know plenty of people running those and Final Cut 7 systems. It ain't broke, so they ain't fixin'. It's older SD tape based work flows that just ingest content from tape all day long, and then places it on the SAN for others workflows.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  Lion is 10.7, one after Snow Leopard. I’m not sure why you’d run 10.7 instead of either 10.6 or 10.8 (or 10.9) btw. Lion is buggier than the adjacent releases (which are really solid).
  - swiley 6y ago
    Lion was the last version of OSX that I ran. After having my hard drive corrupted twice by it I gave up and put Debian on my macbook.
    - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
      Lion is the Catalina of its era, right down to all the broken legacy apps (because no Rosetta). Catalina is much worse, mind you.
- deleted 6y ago
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- rangibaby 6y ago
  Mac Pro 1,1 was officially supported to Lion, it can run up to and including El Capitan if you use a patched installer .
- egorfine 6y ago
  The last cheese grater perfectly supports Big Sur, short of wireless drivers.

prox 6y ago

I switched to Affinity completely, and I also slowly see some people in the industry change. And for video, DaVinci Resolve. There might be cases were you’re tied to CS, but the bulk of the work can be done in these apps.

risyachka 6y ago
There is nothing standing in their way to do the same with their software in a couple of years.
- oblib 6y ago
  Yeah, but you won't have lost near as much money if they do.
- prox 6y ago
  Don’t think they will, Serif has always worked this way, at least not unless they seriously start to threaten Adobe with a bigger market share. Also I got 8 free updates that other companies would have asked money for. At least 2 big performance updates.
chilldsgn 6y ago
I've also switched to Affinity back in March, because of the fact that Creative Cloud was becoming too expensive for me and my crappy 3rd world income.
- prox 6y ago
  That’s the big plus, it’s affordable and you own it, no more monthly pay outs.
porker 6y ago
What about a replacement for Adobe Acrobat Pro on (Windows)? That is the one app that keeps me having a Creative Cloud subscription. In a business setting I find it essential.

sorval 6y ago

I worked there. It was a greasy and miserable place run by people who should have retired long ago. Everything was waterfall development, and there was a yearly slave-rush to their miserable convention show, where only half the stuff really worked. No one really knew what they were doing. It was like a time machine back to 20 years ago. So glad I left.

mdip 6y ago
Thank you for confirming the things I have suspected for a long time. Maybe it's the path I took in the industry but I had the displeasure of having to automate the installation of Adobe security updates to tens of thousands of Windows boxes a decade ago right through having to (briefly) write software targeting a customer's Adobe Experience Manager product in the last couple of years. There's a long rant bubbling up about AEM, but I'll resist the temptation and just say a suitable 4-letter word, instead. Their products cost a fortune and for the privilege of forking over your hard-earned money, the company does things like this. I still own a license for one of the older versions of Photoshop post-Activation. I corrected it in a manner that would probably qualify as "cracking it" before ever activating after having run into grief with the product at my day job (at the time). Anymore, if there's a reasonable alternative, that's the kind of stupid I won't spend my money on.
egypturnash 6y ago
As a long time user of one of their tools (Illustrator, which I have a strong suspicion is not a prestigious team to work on) I have always suspected something like this. Sigh.

vr46 6y ago

I have officially given up on Adobe after 28 years, too. Even with the new features in Potatochop/Lightroom on image protection. I can't run my old software, or I can't obtain my old software, and CC is just a shitshow of processes permanently running and sucking up battery power. DaVinci Resolve is amazing. I'm becoming better and better with GIMP. CaptureOne is crappier to use but has much better output. Lightroom iOS works fine for freebie Instagram pics.

kazinator 6y ago
Google Chrome is giving up on Adobe Flash. Says it will be unsupported after Dec 2020.
- Reason077 6y ago
  Even Adobe's own Flash updater is begging you to uninstall it now days.
tambeb 6y ago
> CC is just a shitshow of processes permanently running I HATE this so much that I have an AutoHotkey shortcut that I run after I'm done using any of the CC programs. It kills everything Adobe. I also have a Windows scheduled task that runs every 15 minutes that deletes any autoruns from Adobe in the registry, deletes any Adobe services, etc., because I found that they obnoxiously fully re-added things whenever I would open CC.

jjeaff 6y ago

Just use a pirated copy of the software you own. There are plenty of versions out there that don't require any activation, and for the most part, just work. As long as you own a legal copy, I can't see owning a cracked one as being illegal. Definitely not unethical.

bborud 6y ago
It would actually be interesting to have this tried in court.
- Moru 6y ago
  In Sweden it's totally OK to fix a program you own so you can use it, no matter what the license says. This includes disassemly if necessary.
otterley 6y ago
Attorney here! (Not legal advice.) You are wrong. Software is generally licensed, not sold. The only person who "owns" Photoshop etc. is Adobe. The rest of us get mere licenses that we are subject to the terms of. Violate the terms, and you're subject to civil and potentially criminal penalties.