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And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail. Adobe moved to a subscription model that has allowed them to stay alive as a business without monetizing yo

And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail. Adobe moved to a subscription model that has allowed them to stay alive as a business without monetizing you as the product like many other ad based businesses. Adobe gets trashed endlessly for this because we had a taste of the perpetual license long ago. But the perpetual license doesn't make sense with cloud based updates and document sync that everyone also expects in modern digital tools. Imagine creating software today with perpetual licenses but no updates or sync across devices. You would laugh it off your machine.

manquer 6y ago
However , their sale terms for cs2 did not say you can pay a lot of money to use till Adobe changrs their mind. Their license agreement said I can use as long as I wanted to
- stackreality 6y ago
  They didn't pull the software off your computer. They stopped hosting the box, but you probably bought it at Best Buy and still have it laying around!
  - Shared404 6y ago
    > Even with the original install disks The quoted sentence is what people are bothered by. The program is still lying around on a disk, but cannot be used legally.
Shared404 6y ago
> And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail. How is this relevant? Gmail has always been a remotely hosted service. This is about Photoshop CS, not CC. And I do not expect old software to do cloud updates/document sync. I expect it to keep working as is. I also can't stand the endless "Needs connectivity" and "Set up syncing now" in modern software.
abraae 6y ago
> And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail. Gmail has always been a hosted service - not software that runs entirely on your own machine. Apples and oranges. > Imagine creating software today with perpetual licenses but no updates or sync across devices. You would laugh it off your machine. You mean like any number of extremely popular software packages like IntelliJ that offer perpetual licenses?
bluepizza 6y ago
But nobody paid for the 2008 version of Gmail. Adobe cannot unilaterally change the rules of a sale they completed in the past. It’s Darth Vader’s “pray i don't alter it further” behaviour - a character built to be the representation of evil.
Grakel 6y ago
No updates would be a huge positive for most software categories.
scruffyherder 6y ago
Makes me glad that I can still use my NT Server 4.0 and Exchange 5.5. Imagine requiring set product lifespans in this day and age, you’d get laughed right out of the data centre.
stoobs 6y ago
Yeah, this is why people dislike Adobe. Updates come via paying the fairly high price to start with, you know, supporting the damned product you paid for. Document sync is something that is provided via a bunch of other services if you need it - icloud/onedrive/dropbox/etc But sure, come up with more laughable excuses to justify shitty company practices. Feature updates just come in new versions, which you pay for. Monthly payments can still work, many other companies use that model, and after a period of time, you're frozen at the last version you paid for (after a year for example) if you stop paying. But yeah, screw them now - I used to have a usable paid version, but no longer - there are better alternatives now.
rvense 6y ago
IKEA doesn't send a guy to my house to smash the plates I bought just because they release new ones that they think are better.

manquer 6y ago

However , their sale terms for cs2 did not say you can pay a lot of money to use till Adobe changrs their mind. Their license agreement said I can use as long as I wanted to

stackreality 6y ago
They didn't pull the software off your computer. They stopped hosting the box, but you probably bought it at Best Buy and still have it laying around!
- Shared404 6y ago
  > Even with the original install disks The quoted sentence is what people are bothered by. The program is still lying around on a disk, but cannot be used legally.

Shared404 6y ago

> And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail. How is this relevant? Gmail has always been a remotely hosted service. This is about Photoshop CS, not CC. And I do not expect old software to do cloud updates/document sync. I expect it to keep working as is. I also can't stand the endless "Needs connectivity" and "Set up syncing now" in modern software.

abraae 6y ago

> And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail. Gmail has always been a hosted service - not software that runs entirely on your own machine. Apples and oranges. > Imagine creating software today with perpetual licenses but no updates or sync across devices. You would laugh it off your machine. You mean like any number of extremely popular software packages like IntelliJ that offer perpetual licenses?

bluepizza 6y ago

But nobody paid for the 2008 version of Gmail. Adobe cannot unilaterally change the rules of a sale they completed in the past. It’s Darth Vader’s “pray i don't alter it further” behaviour - a character built to be the representation of evil.

Grakel 6y ago

No updates would be a huge positive for most software categories.

scruffyherder 6y ago

Makes me glad that I can still use my NT Server 4.0 and Exchange 5.5. Imagine requiring set product lifespans in this day and age, you’d get laughed right out of the data centre.

stoobs 6y ago

Yeah, this is why people dislike Adobe. Updates come via paying the fairly high price to start with, you know, supporting the damned product you paid for. Document sync is something that is provided via a bunch of other services if you need it - icloud/onedrive/dropbox/etc But sure, come up with more laughable excuses to justify shitty company practices. Feature updates just come in new versions, which you pay for. Monthly payments can still work, many other companies use that model, and after a period of time, you're frozen at the last version you paid for (after a year for example) if you stop paying. But yeah, screw them now - I used to have a usable paid version, but no longer - there are better alternatives now.

rvense 6y ago

IKEA doesn't send a guy to my house to smash the plates I bought just because they release new ones that they think are better.