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Did you accept the agreement when installing?

PrinceKropotkin 6y ago
...does anyone? Is that humanly possible to read through without a law degree? What do you do if you want to negotiate? The answer, of course, is piracy: reject all terms.
ZenPsycho 6y ago
you can't sign away your rights, doubly so for legally dubious software checkmark agreements.
cosmotic 6y ago
The terms of the CS6 license pertaining to activation don't indicate one way or the other what happens if the server was intentionally disabled by Adobe's choice. The only stated requirement is internet access; there's an implied requirement that no firewall is in place to prevent the software from communicating with the Adobe server.
- ChrisLomont 6y ago
  The CS6 license [1] has a 90 day limited warranty in section 6, which, for most goods, means the items will work as intended for at least 90 days, otherwise you can return it for a full refund. It it fails after 90 days, then you generally cannot. Also, did CS6 stop working? The only stories I see are CS2 and CS3. [1] https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/cc/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/CS6.pdf https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/cc/en/legal/licenses-terms...
  - cosmotic 6y ago
    No, I have no reason to believe CS6 stopped working, that's just the only terms I have on my local and I couldn't find an obvious archive of Adobes terms for previous versions.
redis_mlc 6y ago
> Did you accept the agreement when installing? That actually doesn't matter if the terms are unreasonable. Courts commonly understand that one-sided unreasonable licenses are unenforceable when litigated.
- ChrisLomont 6y ago
  Are the terms unreasonable? If the terms were a limited license rather than an infinite guarantee to provide activation servers, then it’s not likely legally unreasonable. And it’s not at all uncommon to be the former. I’ve never seen a court rule a license like this to be unreasonable. Have you? Here’s [1] the CS3 license. It states a 90 day warranty, which is certainly legally a standard warranty. Section 14.8.1 states Adobe can disable the activation server. So yep, looks like this was covered in the license. I doubt a court is going to rule Adobe must provide a server indefinitely. [1] https://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/photoshopcs3.html https://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/photoshopcs3.html

...does anyone? Is that humanly possible to read through without a law degree? What do you do if you want to negotiate? The answer, of course, is piracy: reject all terms.

ZenPsycho 6y ago

you can't sign away your rights, doubly so for legally dubious software checkmark agreements.

cosmotic 6y ago

The terms of the CS6 license pertaining to activation don't indicate one way or the other what happens if the server was intentionally disabled by Adobe's choice. The only stated requirement is internet access; there's an implied requirement that no firewall is in place to prevent the software from communicating with the Adobe server.

ChrisLomont 6y ago
The CS6 license [1] has a 90 day limited warranty in section 6, which, for most goods, means the items will work as intended for at least 90 days, otherwise you can return it for a full refund. It it fails after 90 days, then you generally cannot. Also, did CS6 stop working? The only stories I see are CS2 and CS3. [1] https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/cc/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/CS6.pdf https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/cc/en/legal/licenses-terms...
- cosmotic 6y ago
  No, I have no reason to believe CS6 stopped working, that's just the only terms I have on my local and I couldn't find an obvious archive of Adobes terms for previous versions.

redis_mlc 6y ago

> Did you accept the agreement when installing? That actually doesn't matter if the terms are unreasonable. Courts commonly understand that one-sided unreasonable licenses are unenforceable when litigated.

ChrisLomont 6y ago
Are the terms unreasonable? If the terms were a limited license rather than an infinite guarantee to provide activation servers, then it’s not likely legally unreasonable. And it’s not at all uncommon to be the former. I’ve never seen a court rule a license like this to be unreasonable. Have you? Here’s [1] the CS3 license. It states a 90 day warranty, which is certainly legally a standard warranty. Section 14.8.1 states Adobe can disable the activation server. So yep, looks like this was covered in the license. I doubt a court is going to rule Adobe must provide a server indefinitely. [1] https://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/photoshopcs3.html https://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/photoshopcs3.html