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I can't believe the 7/8ths rule isn't a bigger story than it is. Insanely undemocratic. I wouldn't vote for any bill that included that stipulation.

by reso 6y ago

megaman821 6y ago
I have seen in other comments that it can be changed with a simple majority with another prop, but if the legislature want to override the prop they need a 7/8 super-majority.
jonas21 6y ago
The 7/8 provision only applies to changes made by the legislature -- if Prop 22 were to pass, voters could repeal or amend it with a simple majority vote on a future ballot initiative. By default, laws enacted via ballot initiative in California can't be changed by the legislature at all without voter approval -- California has some of the strongest protections in the country for these (see https://ballotpedia.org/Legislative_alteration https://ballotpedia.org/Legislative_alteration)
- masonic 6y ago
  Who would organize and pay for such an initiative?
km3r 6y ago
it makes more sense in the frame of the original AB5 being passed with a massive margin, so a slightly higher margin was included to prevent an immediate reversal by the legislator.
brian_cloutier 6y ago
It's not a big story because it's technically a leniency. There are other props on the same ballot which cannot be overturned by the legislature at all. Constitutionally (the CA constitution) the default is that a ballot measure cannot be overturned without another ballot measure. I agree that the 7/8th's thing is ridiculous, and it is most of the reason why I have decided to vote against 22, but it's not particularly notable, this is just how ballot props work and it is why your presumptive answer to most CA ballot props should be no.
- masonic 6y ago
  a ballot measure cannot be overturned without another ballot measure If the Legislature wants to change a statute put in by initiative, they can provisionally. This generates a Legislative Statute proposition. Most of those pass without a lot of scrutiny. No voter signatures are needed.
xmprt 6y ago
So you're saying you'd prefer if Prop 22 didn't have that rule in which case even 8/8 of the legislature couldn't change it. 7/8 is generous since it means law makers can actually overturn this prop. Something that can't be done for other props (eg. see prop 16 which exists to repeal a previous prop).

I can't believe the 7/8ths rule isn't a bigger story than it is. Insanely undemocratic. I wouldn't vote for any bill that included that stipulation.

by reso 6y ago

I can't believe the 7/8ths rule isn't a bigger story than it is. Insanely undemocratic. I wouldn't vote for any bill that included that stipulation.

megaman821 6y ago

I have seen in other comments that it can be changed with a simple majority with another prop, but if the legislature want to override the prop they need a 7/8 super-majority.

jonas21 6y ago

The 7/8 provision only applies to changes made by the legislature -- if Prop 22 were to pass, voters could repeal or amend it with a simple majority vote on a future ballot initiative. By default, laws enacted via ballot initiative in California can't be changed by the legislature at all without voter approval -- California has some of the strongest protections in the country for these (see https://ballotpedia.org/Legislative_alteration https://ballotpedia.org/Legislative_alteration)

masonic 6y ago
Who would organize and pay for such an initiative?

km3r 6y ago

it makes more sense in the frame of the original AB5 being passed with a massive margin, so a slightly higher margin was included to prevent an immediate reversal by the legislator.

brian_cloutier 6y ago

It's not a big story because it's technically a leniency. There are other props on the same ballot which cannot be overturned by the legislature at all. Constitutionally (the CA constitution) the default is that a ballot measure cannot be overturned without another ballot measure. I agree that the 7/8th's thing is ridiculous, and it is most of the reason why I have decided to vote against 22, but it's not particularly notable, this is just how ballot props work and it is why your presumptive answer to most CA ballot props should be no.

masonic 6y ago
a ballot measure cannot be overturned without another ballot measure If the Legislature wants to change a statute put in by initiative, they can provisionally. This generates a Legislative Statute proposition. Most of those pass without a lot of scrutiny. No voter signatures are needed.

xmprt 6y ago

So you're saying you'd prefer if Prop 22 didn't have that rule in which case even 8/8 of the legislature couldn't change it. 7/8 is generous since it means law makers can actually overturn this prop. Something that can't be done for other props (eg. see prop 16 which exists to repeal a previous prop).