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I've noticed this as well in the post-covid office life, the leadership team keeps going into work so being in the office is a good way to get noticed and work

by mpeg 6y ago

I've noticed this as well in the post-covid office life, the leadership team keeps going into work so being in the office is a good way to get noticed and work closer to them.

bamboozled 6y ago
Maybe it works? I've noticed this as a senior engineer working for a fully remote organization that I'm delivering more, working harder and longer hours but there is zero talk of me getting a bonus or being promoted. Just more work. I had to start asking questions about it the other day. This is my second remote job and the same experience. In between my fully remote positions I worked in an office, I was promoted and offered bonuses. Maybe physically seeing a person working hard used to provoke some sympathy from management to offer promotions and pay rises? The other thing I've noticed is that it seems now everyone is going remote, people are just working 12 hour days without hesitation. Whereas before, there were hard works and more relaxed types. What excuse does one have not to attend a 6am meeting when "all you have to do is open zoom"?
- albacur 6y ago
  Do companies you've worked for in the past normally approach you about promotions? Maybe it's because I'm shy or bad at self-promotion, but I've never had an employer offer a promotion. Even after getting great performance reviews, I've had to fight tooth and nail or go through a promotion committee song and dance that can drag on for months or years.
  - jrumbut 6y ago
    Most companies I've worked for have just handed out promotions at seemingly random intervals. You could ask too but it never really went over well.
  - bamboozled 6y ago
    What I'm usually offered promotion for is having leadership skills. I don't know why or how, but it's something I naturally seem to be complimented and respected for, even though it's only that in the last year I started looking more into what it takes to be a good leader and truly try be better at it. With fully remote work it seems the concept of leadership is changing and maybe being replaced with...scrum boards? I don't now how it works fully remote yet :) All I know is there are some successful full remote companies, but they don't really have good reviews on their leadership skills either when reading Glass Door.
- mpeg 6y ago
  Yeah I agree it works, I have experienced the same and been on the good side of it in orgs where I got promotions faster than the remote folks. I'm currently working mostly remote and even though I am in the senior management team in the firm I work for I've noticed people are treating me slightly differently; even though I am sticking to my guns because I am relatively high risk for COVID. I also let my team decide whether they want to work from home or from the office (as long as they can get to the office without commuting) and I've noticed the more junior people are keen to keep coming into the office.
mynegation 6y ago
Where do you live that you can characterize life as “post-covid”. New Zealand? (It is rhetorical - you do not have to answer). For our company most people are not allowed to go to the office unless they are maintaining servers, facilities, or have to work with the paper trail that cannot be taken outside the office.
- mpeg 6y ago
  I meant it more like "the period after covid started" :) We are allowed to go to the office in the UK as long as it's been made "covid safe", even though the government recommendation is to WFH wherever possible, it's a suggestion not a rule.

by mpeg 6y ago

I've noticed this as well in the post-covid office life, the leadership team keeps going into work so being in the office is a good way to get noticed and work closer to them.

bamboozled 6y ago

Maybe it works? I've noticed this as a senior engineer working for a fully remote organization that I'm delivering more, working harder and longer hours but there is zero talk of me getting a bonus or being promoted. Just more work. I had to start asking questions about it the other day. This is my second remote job and the same experience. In between my fully remote positions I worked in an office, I was promoted and offered bonuses. Maybe physically seeing a person working hard used to provoke some sympathy from management to offer promotions and pay rises? The other thing I've noticed is that it seems now everyone is going remote, people are just working 12 hour days without hesitation. Whereas before, there were hard works and more relaxed types. What excuse does one have not to attend a 6am meeting when "all you have to do is open zoom"?

albacur 6y ago
Do companies you've worked for in the past normally approach you about promotions? Maybe it's because I'm shy or bad at self-promotion, but I've never had an employer offer a promotion. Even after getting great performance reviews, I've had to fight tooth and nail or go through a promotion committee song and dance that can drag on for months or years.
- jrumbut 6y ago
  Most companies I've worked for have just handed out promotions at seemingly random intervals. You could ask too but it never really went over well.
- bamboozled 6y ago
  What I'm usually offered promotion for is having leadership skills. I don't know why or how, but it's something I naturally seem to be complimented and respected for, even though it's only that in the last year I started looking more into what it takes to be a good leader and truly try be better at it. With fully remote work it seems the concept of leadership is changing and maybe being replaced with...scrum boards? I don't now how it works fully remote yet :) All I know is there are some successful full remote companies, but they don't really have good reviews on their leadership skills either when reading Glass Door.
mpeg 6y ago
Yeah I agree it works, I have experienced the same and been on the good side of it in orgs where I got promotions faster than the remote folks. I'm currently working mostly remote and even though I am in the senior management team in the firm I work for I've noticed people are treating me slightly differently; even though I am sticking to my guns because I am relatively high risk for COVID. I also let my team decide whether they want to work from home or from the office (as long as they can get to the office without commuting) and I've noticed the more junior people are keen to keep coming into the office.

mynegation 6y ago

Where do you live that you can characterize life as “post-covid”. New Zealand? (It is rhetorical - you do not have to answer). For our company most people are not allowed to go to the office unless they are maintaining servers, facilities, or have to work with the paper trail that cannot be taken outside the office.

mpeg 6y ago
I meant it more like "the period after covid started" :) We are allowed to go to the office in the UK as long as it's been made "covid safe", even though the government recommendation is to WFH wherever possible, it's a suggestion not a rule.