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> Want to hate on Eich because he's a homophobe? Go for it. Want to call him out on his homophobia? Get on wit' yo' bad self! But none of that had anything to

> Want to hate on Eich because he's a homophobe? Go for it. Want to call him out on his homophobia? Get on wit' yo' bad self! But none of that had anything to do with Eich's qualifications or ability to run Mozilla. Ignoring the other arguments about comparing this to other basic human rights, if his politics are bringing a bunch of hate onto the company then it does impact his ability to do his job effectively.

nobody9999 6y ago
>Ignoring the other arguments about comparing this to other basic human rights, if his politics are bringing a bunch of hate onto the company then it does impact his ability to do his job effectively. That's a fair point. I'd only say that I find it illiberal and deeply reactionary and regressive to hound someone professionally because of their private actions (in that case, a monetary political donation). As much as I believe that all of us, regardless of ethnicity, melanin content, chromosome configuration, religion, or any of many, many other "differences" should equally benefit from the rule of law and equality under those laws, whether that be loving who and how we choose, agency over what happens to/with our bodies or any other human/civil right, I also believe that we need to extend that to those who disagree with me. Because if we are only free to live/speak/believe as we wish as long as other folks don't kick up a fuss about it, and along the way destroy our livelihoods, is that really freedom? And if it's okay to do so for those who hold "vile" beliefs, who's to say that beliefs we hold won't be considered "vile" next week, next month or next year? As such, by all means call out those who espouse hate and discrimination. But destroying someone's livelihood because you don't like what they think or say is antithetical to the ideals of liberty and equality.
- jamienicol 6y ago
  Eich isn't just a homophobe in private, but actively sought to impinge on others' rights based on their sexuality. I joined Mozilla just after Eich had left, but had I been there at the time I wouldn't have wanted to work for him. I wouldn't want the proceeds of my work to earn him money, allowing him to donate money seeking to reduce LGBT rights. If enough of his employees feel the same way, and there is enough negative press from others (who are also just democratically expressing their opinions), then clearly his position as CEO was untenable. To equate that to destroying someone's livelihood based on their political beliefs is exactly the sort of mental gymnastics which keeps me coming back to this site.
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nobody9999 6y ago

>Ignoring the other arguments about comparing this to other basic human rights, if his politics are bringing a bunch of hate onto the company then it does impact his ability to do his job effectively. That's a fair point. I'd only say that I find it illiberal and deeply reactionary and regressive to hound someone professionally because of their private actions (in that case, a monetary political donation). As much as I believe that all of us, regardless of ethnicity, melanin content, chromosome configuration, religion, or any of many, many other "differences" should equally benefit from the rule of law and equality under those laws, whether that be loving who and how we choose, agency over what happens to/with our bodies or any other human/civil right, I also believe that we need to extend that to those who disagree with me. Because if we are only free to live/speak/believe as we wish as long as other folks don't kick up a fuss about it, and along the way destroy our livelihoods, is that really freedom? And if it's okay to do so for those who hold "vile" beliefs, who's to say that beliefs we hold won't be considered "vile" next week, next month or next year? As such, by all means call out those who espouse hate and discrimination. But destroying someone's livelihood because you don't like what they think or say is antithetical to the ideals of liberty and equality.

jamienicol 6y ago
Eich isn't just a homophobe in private, but actively sought to impinge on others' rights based on their sexuality. I joined Mozilla just after Eich had left, but had I been there at the time I wouldn't have wanted to work for him. I wouldn't want the proceeds of my work to earn him money, allowing him to donate money seeking to reduce LGBT rights. If enough of his employees feel the same way, and there is enough negative press from others (who are also just democratically expressing their opinions), then clearly his position as CEO was untenable. To equate that to destroying someone's livelihood based on their political beliefs is exactly the sort of mental gymnastics which keeps me coming back to this site.
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