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>No, my problem is that Apple keeps changing the terms. The Mac that I purchased is no longer the Mac that I have. Uh, did you read their terms and conditions?

• _qulr 6y ago
  See above for my response to the exact same point by another commenter. See also: https://youtu.be/2gBvYJ21SoQ https://youtu.be/2gBvYJ21SoQ
  • Rury 6y ago
    If you don't like their terms or products - then don't agree to their terms and don't buy their products. If you want things your way - don't outsource - make it yourself. Apple made their product. As so, why shouldn't they have the right to make their own terms?
    • _qulr 6y ago
      > Apple made their product. As so, why shouldn't they have the right to make their own terms? The issue is not legal rights. I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to other people. As a businessperson, I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to my customers. Normally, in a competitive market, I wouldn't be able to get away with that. But if the market is not very competitive, I can. Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. Apple didn't always make the right choices under Steve Jobs, but they generally made much better choices than under Tim Cook, at least as far as the Mac is concerned.
      • colejohnson66 6y ago
        > Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. Wrong according to you. I’m not going to argue either position here, but let’s be clear: what you see as wrong, others see as right.
      • Rury 6y ago
        >As a businessperson, I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to my customers You're still not getting the point - which is you're not the customer Apple is trying to sell to - just as Mercedes isn't trying to cater to people who want ice cream. >Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. This is your opinion. The world does not revolve around you. Do you honestly expect in a relationship that your spouse always revolves around your terms - and only your terms - and will not have terms of their own? Is it not fair Apple has their own terms? They don't want to be abused by their customers anymore than you do from them. Apple has always made it obvious who they're customer is. That is someone that doesn't know anything about computers and wants email and stuff to work without problems as time goes on - so Apple to makes sure they hold the rights to update and secure things to ensure that product works for these customers. Again, you are not the customer apple is trying to cater to. Steve Jobs himself never wanted to sell "computers which only nerds could use". He wanted to sell "an appliance which anyone's grandmother could use". Super customizability that you want was never their product! Don't buy it and then complain they're being a jerk when they stated what their terms were...
        • _qulr 6y ago
          > You're still not getting the point - which is you're not the customer Apple is trying to sell to Funny how they keep sending me marketing emails though. This is kind of a weird notion, that Apple doesn't want me as a customer, as I've spent more $ on Apple products in my life than the majority of people. > This is your opinion. Does this really need to be said? Of course it is! Why would I state someone else's opinion? > Steve Jobs himself never wanted to sell "computers which only nerds could use". This is a straw man argument. I already mentioned that I preferred Apple under Steve Jobs to Apple under Tim Cook. They're not the same. Jobs said, "the computer is the most remarkable tool that we’ve ever come up with. It’s the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." For Tim Cook, though, computers seem more like a bike lock for the mind. > Super customizability that you want was never their product! Again, I'm comparing Macs today to Macs literally only 10 years ago. Those products existed. It's historical revisionism to claim that current Apple is exactly the same as past Apple. It's not. Not at all. The strangest thing about the argument "this is the way Apple has always been" is that the linked article of this HN post is talking about a new change that hasn't even shipped yet but exists in the Big Sur beta. It's a completely novel macOS behavior, not the way the Mac has ever behaved, so it's just bizarre to argue in this case "that's just the way Apple has always been". Apple is changing... for the worse IMO.