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>I expect to be able to use it as I please. This is your problem. Apple doesn't sell the product: "computer devices at which you can do whatever you want with

by Rury 6y ago

>I expect to be able to use it as I please. This is your problem. Apple doesn't sell the product: "computer devices at which you can do whatever you want with". They sell "computer device which does lots of things easily. To ensure these things work properly, the nitty bits are secured away from you"

_qulr 6y ago
> This is your problem. No, my problem is that Apple keeps changing the terms. The Mac that I purchased is no longer the Mac that I have. Apple now only provides 3 years of security updates for the OS that came with your Mac. You can't even buy an extended service contract! So then you're forced to "upgrade" the OS or else live with a bunch of known vulnerabilities. But every new version of the OS locks down the Mac even more. That's not what I paid for. Moreover, it was Apple's decision to start shipping major new OS versions on a yearly schedule. That's not how it was in the past. Mac OS X Jaguar lasted 14 months, Panther 18, Tiger 30, Leopard 22, Snow Leopard 23 months. But then Steve Jobs stepped down for health reasons, passed away, and Tim Cook "altered the deal".
- Rury 6y ago
  >No, my problem is that Apple keeps changing the terms. The Mac that I purchased is no longer the Mac that I have. Uh, did you read their terms and conditions? They held that right when you bought it...
  - _qulr 6y ago
    See above for my response to the exact same point by another commenter. See also: https://youtu.be/2gBvYJ21SoQ https://youtu.be/2gBvYJ21SoQ
    - Rury 6y ago
      If you don't like their terms or products - then don't agree to their terms and don't buy their products. If you want things your way - don't outsource - make it yourself. Apple made their product. As so, why shouldn't they have the right to make their own terms?
      - _qulr 6y ago
        > Apple made their product. As so, why shouldn't they have the right to make their own terms? The issue is not legal rights. I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to other people. As a businessperson, I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to my customers. Normally, in a competitive market, I wouldn't be able to get away with that. But if the market is not very competitive, I can. Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. Apple didn't always make the right choices under Steve Jobs, but they generally made much better choices than under Tim Cook, at least as far as the Mac is concerned.
        colejohnson66 6y ago
        > Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. Wrong according to you. I’m not going to argue either position here, but let’s be clear: what you see as wrong, others see as right.
        Rury 6y ago
        >As a businessperson, I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to my customers You're still not getting the point - which is you're not the customer Apple is trying to sell to - just as Mercedes isn't trying to cater to people who want ice cream. >Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. This is your opinion. The world does not revolve around you. Do you honestly expect in a relationship that your spouse always revolves around your terms - and only your terms - and will not have terms of their own? Is it not fair Apple has their own terms? They don't want to be abused by their customers anymore than you do from them. Apple has always made it obvious who they're customer is. That is someone that doesn't know anything about computers and wants email and stuff to work without problems as time goes on - so Apple to makes sure they hold the rights to update and secure things to ensure that product works for these customers. Again, you are not the customer apple is trying to cater to. Steve Jobs himself never wanted to sell "computers which only nerds could use". He wanted to sell "an appliance which anyone's grandmother could use". Super customizability that you want was never their product! Don't buy it and then complain they're being a jerk when they stated what their terms were...

by Rury 6y ago

_qulr 6y ago

> This is your problem. No, my problem is that Apple keeps changing the terms. The Mac that I purchased is no longer the Mac that I have. Apple now only provides 3 years of security updates for the OS that came with your Mac. You can't even buy an extended service contract! So then you're forced to "upgrade" the OS or else live with a bunch of known vulnerabilities. But every new version of the OS locks down the Mac even more. That's not what I paid for. Moreover, it was Apple's decision to start shipping major new OS versions on a yearly schedule. That's not how it was in the past. Mac OS X Jaguar lasted 14 months, Panther 18, Tiger 30, Leopard 22, Snow Leopard 23 months. But then Steve Jobs stepped down for health reasons, passed away, and Tim Cook "altered the deal".

Rury 6y ago
>No, my problem is that Apple keeps changing the terms. The Mac that I purchased is no longer the Mac that I have. Uh, did you read their terms and conditions? They held that right when you bought it...
- _qulr 6y ago
  See above for my response to the exact same point by another commenter. See also: https://youtu.be/2gBvYJ21SoQ https://youtu.be/2gBvYJ21SoQ
  - Rury 6y ago
    If you don't like their terms or products - then don't agree to their terms and don't buy their products. If you want things your way - don't outsource - make it yourself. Apple made their product. As so, why shouldn't they have the right to make their own terms?
    - _qulr 6y ago
      > Apple made their product. As so, why shouldn't they have the right to make their own terms? The issue is not legal rights. I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to other people. As a businessperson, I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to my customers. Normally, in a competitive market, I wouldn't be able to get away with that. But if the market is not very competitive, I can. Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. Apple didn't always make the right choices under Steve Jobs, but they generally made much better choices than under Tim Cook, at least as far as the Mac is concerned.
      - colejohnson66 6y ago
        > Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. Wrong according to you. I’m not going to argue either position here, but let’s be clear: what you see as wrong, others see as right.
      - Rury 6y ago
        >As a businessperson, I have the legal right to be a complete jerk to my customers You're still not getting the point - which is you're not the customer Apple is trying to sell to - just as Mercedes isn't trying to cater to people who want ice cream. >Apple has choices, legally. My problem is that they keep making the wrong choices. This is your opinion. The world does not revolve around you. Do you honestly expect in a relationship that your spouse always revolves around your terms - and only your terms - and will not have terms of their own? Is it not fair Apple has their own terms? They don't want to be abused by their customers anymore than you do from them. Apple has always made it obvious who they're customer is. That is someone that doesn't know anything about computers and wants email and stuff to work without problems as time goes on - so Apple to makes sure they hold the rights to update and secure things to ensure that product works for these customers. Again, you are not the customer apple is trying to cater to. Steve Jobs himself never wanted to sell "computers which only nerds could use". He wanted to sell "an appliance which anyone's grandmother could use". Super customizability that you want was never their product! Don't buy it and then complain they're being a jerk when they stated what their terms were...