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As a matter of fact, I explained exactly what comes after the web immediately prior to the quoted statement in TFA.

sho_hn 6y ago
We totally have a kio plugin already so you can gemini in Konqueror. I mean, we fucked the thing up once already by sparking WebKit and Blink through KHTML, but ...
im3w1l 6y ago
I don't see gemini becoming popular in the mainstream without image support. Maybe it could survive as a niche thing, but it will not "come after" the web.
- ddevault 6y ago
  Gemini clients could easily add support for images: if a URL ends in .png et al, fetch it and if the mimetype is image/* then just stick it in the page. Tada! Some clients already do this.
cytzol 6y ago
I read an overview of Gemini that described it like this: gemini is a new internet protocol which: - is heavier than gopher - is lighter than the web - will not replace either It looks like you disagree — how come?
- ddevault 6y ago
  It won't completely replace the web, but I hope that it's a viable replacement for a subset of the web worth preserving. The rest of the web is either (1) best served some other way or (2) not worth keeping.
  - cytzol 6y ago
    I disagree, and I'm a little bit insulted. I'm pretty much in Gemini's exact target market: my websites are simple and almost entirely text, with no tracking, minimal JavaScript, and a hefty CSP. I like implementing simple network protocols and I'm annoyed with the ever-increasing complexity of the Web. And I write command-line software, so Gemini is right up my alley. So when I first heard of it, about a year ago, I was really excited for there to be a new way to convert my sites to this new, simpler hypertext– But when I tried it, it didn't let me build the sort of site that I, personally, would want to read. • The documentation sites for my software (https://specsheet.software https://specsheet.software, https://dns.lookup.dog https://dns.lookup.dog, https://the.exa.website https://the.exa.website) all feature inline code samples, complete with the colours you'll see in your terminal. Being able to see an example command and then see its exact output really helps me learn a tool, and I wish more programs were documented in this way. When I re-wrote the documentation as man pages, it was like going from colour to black-and-white, and when I Gemini-ified the documentation, it felt like I was reading man pages. • My personal home page has blog posts that use styles to sound like the way I talk. I emote. I emphasise. I bold important sentences, and shove side-notes to the side. If I'm writing technically, I'll include charts and side-tables of data. And, again, I like to include syntax-highlighted code snippets and images where appropriate. I'm not a marketer. I abhor advertising. I'm not trying to usurp the world's communications channel for my own gain. I'm just trying to publish content I want to see more of, and my attempts at offering a Gemini version resulted in exactly zero pages. This is why it disappoints me when you say this: > The rest of the web is either (1) best served some other way or (2) not worth keeping. Do you really think I belong with "the rest of the web"? Or do you think my sites are not worth keeping?
    - ddevault 6y ago
      >all feature inline code samples Supported >complete with the colours I don't want your colors in my terminal. Gemini is a user-agent, and this time we actually mean it. It's not a developer-agent or vendor-agent. You provide the content and the client provides the presentation, by design, and if you don't like it, then you are missing the point. I looked at your HTML pages and I find the colors uncomfortable to read. >My personal home page has blog posts that use styles to sound like the way I talk. I emote. I emphasise. I bold important sentences. Use asterisks and underscores and slashes then, like we've all managed to do just fine since the dawn of the internet. >Do you really think I belong with "the rest of the web"? Or do you think my sites are not worth keeping? No. I think your websites are suited to Gemini, but you don't understand what Gemini is trying to do. Your tools seem to be bizzarely obsessed with colors, though, so I can understand why you would recoil at the idea that a document format might not invite you to its party.

We totally have a kio plugin already so you can gemini in Konqueror. I mean, we fucked the thing up once already by sparking WebKit and Blink through KHTML, but ...

im3w1l 6y ago

I don't see gemini becoming popular in the mainstream without image support. Maybe it could survive as a niche thing, but it will not "come after" the web.

ddevault 6y ago
Gemini clients could easily add support for images: if a URL ends in .png et al, fetch it and if the mimetype is image/* then just stick it in the page. Tada! Some clients already do this.

cytzol 6y ago

I read an overview of Gemini that described it like this: gemini is a new internet protocol which: - is heavier than gopher - is lighter than the web - will not replace either It looks like you disagree — how come?

ddevault 6y ago
It won't completely replace the web, but I hope that it's a viable replacement for a subset of the web worth preserving. The rest of the web is either (1) best served some other way or (2) not worth keeping.
- cytzol 6y ago
  I disagree, and I'm a little bit insulted. I'm pretty much in Gemini's exact target market: my websites are simple and almost entirely text, with no tracking, minimal JavaScript, and a hefty CSP. I like implementing simple network protocols and I'm annoyed with the ever-increasing complexity of the Web. And I write command-line software, so Gemini is right up my alley. So when I first heard of it, about a year ago, I was really excited for there to be a new way to convert my sites to this new, simpler hypertext– But when I tried it, it didn't let me build the sort of site that I, personally, would want to read. • The documentation sites for my software (https://specsheet.software https://specsheet.software, https://dns.lookup.dog https://dns.lookup.dog, https://the.exa.website https://the.exa.website) all feature inline code samples, complete with the colours you'll see in your terminal. Being able to see an example command and then see its exact output really helps me learn a tool, and I wish more programs were documented in this way. When I re-wrote the documentation as man pages, it was like going from colour to black-and-white, and when I Gemini-ified the documentation, it felt like I was reading man pages. • My personal home page has blog posts that use styles to sound like the way I talk. I emote. I emphasise. I bold important sentences, and shove side-notes to the side. If I'm writing technically, I'll include charts and side-tables of data. And, again, I like to include syntax-highlighted code snippets and images where appropriate. I'm not a marketer. I abhor advertising. I'm not trying to usurp the world's communications channel for my own gain. I'm just trying to publish content I want to see more of, and my attempts at offering a Gemini version resulted in exactly zero pages. This is why it disappoints me when you say this: > The rest of the web is either (1) best served some other way or (2) not worth keeping. Do you really think I belong with "the rest of the web"? Or do you think my sites are not worth keeping?
  - ddevault 6y ago
    >all feature inline code samples Supported >complete with the colours I don't want your colors in my terminal. Gemini is a user-agent, and this time we actually mean it. It's not a developer-agent or vendor-agent. You provide the content and the client provides the presentation, by design, and if you don't like it, then you are missing the point. I looked at your HTML pages and I find the colors uncomfortable to read. >My personal home page has blog posts that use styles to sound like the way I talk. I emote. I emphasise. I bold important sentences. Use asterisks and underscores and slashes then, like we've all managed to do just fine since the dawn of the internet. >Do you really think I belong with "the rest of the web"? Or do you think my sites are not worth keeping? No. I think your websites are suited to Gemini, but you don't understand what Gemini is trying to do. Your tools seem to be bizzarely obsessed with colors, though, so I can understand why you would recoil at the idea that a document format might not invite you to its party.