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If you disagree with the assertion that Black lives matter, and the existence of that assertion bothers you so much, there are other projects that you can choos

If you disagree with the assertion that Black lives matter, and the existence of that assertion bothers you so much, there are other projects that you can choose from.

rvz 6y ago
Perhaps people here are clever enough to distinguish between the phrase and the movement and not be caught out in accidentally supporting their actual core political principles. The phrase isn't the problem, however the actual movement... [0] [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20200917194804/https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200917194804/https://blacklive...
- spankalee 6y ago
  Is something on that page problematic to you?
  - rvz 6y ago
    It's a fact isn't it? I don't know why BLM removed it. Maybe you know something that I don't about why BLM exists or why they removed it?
    - krapp 6y ago
      It looks like the content on that page was just moved to other pages under the about tab and the wording refined over time, but the message appears the same. What "actual core political principles" specifically do you believe BLM is trying to hide?
      - rvz 6y ago
        > It looks like the content on that page was just moved to other pages under the about tab and the wording refined over time, but the message appears the same. The truth goes more like 'removal' than 'moved to other pages under the about tab'. The "About" page you mentioned was almost left unedited (except for the renaming of the organisation) and no new additions, deletions or refinements were made to any of the sentences on the About page at the time BLM removed the page I found. Or is the archives incorrect? [0] [1] > What "actual core political principles" specifically do you believe BLM is trying to hide? I think obfuscation is a fitting word here. Maybe you know why they 'removed' the page since it was misleading for you to say that it was just 'moved to other pages under the about tab' which given the archives it is clearly not the case. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20200916200404/https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200916200404/https://blacklive... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200917194804/https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200917194804/https://blacklive...
        krapp 6y ago
        Why are you unwilling or unable to directly state the principles you believe BLM is trying to "obfuscate?" Your attempt to talk around your point and cast vague aspersions is getting tedious. Get to it and maybe we can have a conversation.
        rvz 6y ago
        I'm afraid I don't think you answered my question on why BLM removed that page. In fact it was misleading for you to suggest it was "just moved to other pages under the about tab and the wording refined over time". According to the archives, this is completely false. The entire page I mentioned in my second comment was 'removed' and almost no edits to the About page were made after its removal. The page itself and the reasons for its removal is the 'obfuscation' by BLM. Who knows, perhaps you know? We could have a conversation, but perhaps you need to answer the question and actually come with actual evidence rather than misleading suggestions.
blargathon 6y ago
You sorta proved the point inadvertently. Sure, if you don't support equal rights you are a bit of an ass hole, but BLM and other organizations can and should be legitimately criticized. If they can't be then they are in danger of corruption without those checks and balances. Exactly 0% of that is in a technical project's wheel house.
claytongulick 6y ago
The point of the issue (I created) was to avoid this specific thing. We have enough fracturing in the open source community. I think it's a worthy goal to avoid political fracturing here as well.
- blargathon 6y ago
  Well said. More love, more code.

If you disagree with the assertion that Black lives matter, and the existence of that assertion bothers you so much, there are other projects that you can choose from.

rvz 6y ago

Perhaps people here are clever enough to distinguish between the phrase and the movement and not be caught out in accidentally supporting their actual core political principles. The phrase isn't the problem, however the actual movement... [0] [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20200917194804/https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200917194804/https://blacklive...

spankalee 6y ago
Is something on that page problematic to you?
- rvz 6y ago
  It's a fact isn't it? I don't know why BLM removed it. Maybe you know something that I don't about why BLM exists or why they removed it?
  - krapp 6y ago
    It looks like the content on that page was just moved to other pages under the about tab and the wording refined over time, but the message appears the same. What "actual core political principles" specifically do you believe BLM is trying to hide?
    - rvz 6y ago
      > It looks like the content on that page was just moved to other pages under the about tab and the wording refined over time, but the message appears the same. The truth goes more like 'removal' than 'moved to other pages under the about tab'. The "About" page you mentioned was almost left unedited (except for the renaming of the organisation) and no new additions, deletions or refinements were made to any of the sentences on the About page at the time BLM removed the page I found. Or is the archives incorrect? [0] [1] > What "actual core political principles" specifically do you believe BLM is trying to hide? I think obfuscation is a fitting word here. Maybe you know why they 'removed' the page since it was misleading for you to say that it was just 'moved to other pages under the about tab' which given the archives it is clearly not the case. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20200916200404/https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200916200404/https://blacklive... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200917194804/https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200917194804/https://blacklive...
      - krapp 6y ago
        Why are you unwilling or unable to directly state the principles you believe BLM is trying to "obfuscate?" Your attempt to talk around your point and cast vague aspersions is getting tedious. Get to it and maybe we can have a conversation.
        rvz 6y ago
        I'm afraid I don't think you answered my question on why BLM removed that page. In fact it was misleading for you to suggest it was "just moved to other pages under the about tab and the wording refined over time". According to the archives, this is completely false. The entire page I mentioned in my second comment was 'removed' and almost no edits to the About page were made after its removal. The page itself and the reasons for its removal is the 'obfuscation' by BLM. Who knows, perhaps you know? We could have a conversation, but perhaps you need to answer the question and actually come with actual evidence rather than misleading suggestions.

blargathon 6y ago

You sorta proved the point inadvertently. Sure, if you don't support equal rights you are a bit of an ass hole, but BLM and other organizations can and should be legitimately criticized. If they can't be then they are in danger of corruption without those checks and balances. Exactly 0% of that is in a technical project's wheel house.

claytongulick 6y ago

The point of the issue (I created) was to avoid this specific thing. We have enough fracturing in the open source community. I think it's a worthy goal to avoid political fracturing here as well.

blargathon 6y ago
Well said. More love, more code.