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Don't Do What You Love

49 points by gatsby 16y ago

dpcan 16y ago
Title is link-bait-ish, but article has some good points. A more appropriate title might have been, "Is doing what you love what you should actually be doing?" What I got from this article was that you have to evaluate several things about your passion before you decide to dedicate your life to it full-time, especially if you are going to try to make a living from it.
- Semiapies 16y ago
  Exactly. The defensiveness in other comments here just isn't warranted.
iamdave 16y ago
Counterpoints: You love it — but you're not great at But you're probably driven enough to find out what needs improvement, and you apply the advice given and the processes pointed out to you. You're skilled at your passion — but hate the work that surrounds it. Then you probably don't "love" it, do you? Or maybe you do love it, but your environment sucks. Change your environment. You're too emotionally attached. Scale it back, take a vacation, clear your mind. Own the issue. No one will pay for it. Someone will. My point? If you love it, make it work for you. Spend less time reading articles like this and spin a bad opportunity into a good one.
ansy 16y ago
"The dangerous man is the one who has only one idea, because then he’ll fight and die for it. The way real science goes is that you come up with lots of ideas, and most of them will be wrong." -- Francis Crick A slightly relevant quote from an unrelated article I recently read in the New Yorker[1] [1] http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentPage=all http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_...
ChuckMcM 16y ago
Ok so I'm going to go all contrarian here and provide counter points. 1. You love it but you aren't great at it. So she took a guy who was really enjoying his writing but wasn't as good as other writers. She steers him into a different job as a career so now he can work 9-5 at a job he doesn't like so he can retire and get back to his first love writing (Ok so I'm projecting he would still be writing if it was his choice). If he really loved writing, then he no doubt continues to write to this day. One of the ways that doing what you love can trip you up is when your passion is not internal but external. Perhaps the guy Scott didn't really love writing, he loved the idea of 'being a writer'. That is an externally imposed passion. If you love something so much that you do it whether or not people are paying you to do it, then you are passionate about the action. If doing what you do for work has no appeal to you outside of your workplace then its probably not 'love.' 2) Your skilled at your passion but hate the work that surrounds it. Here she uses a graphic designer who loves to design but quits her job to run a graphic design business. Then she finds she hates running the business. Doh! Those are two different jobs, running the business vs doing the graphic design. Now if the graphic designer knew someone who loved to run a business but didn't care much for the actual graphic design work, poof, match made in heaven. I've watched engineers who loved to code crash and burn when they wanted "to do more leadership" kinds of things. Its a different job, it has a different reward/influence structure, and its not at all like being able to code faster. For them, going back to coding returned them to balance and a much better level of happiness overall. 3. Your too emotionally attached Her example here is completely flawed, her 'failure' is a woman who wanted to help kids from N. Korea get adopted but instead is credited with cleaning up a polluted river. Ok, for one it wasn't clear if what Marion Stoddart loved helping people or loved helping kids in need of adoption. It certainly sounded like it was more of the former, just her first notion at a way she could help was adoption. Her second example is that writers who get too close to their work never improve. But that is a false dichotomy, improve by what standard? And what is too close? Sure you can have personality traits that make it more difficult to make money at what you love but it doesn't change the fundamentals. 4. No one will pay for it. She completely shows her true colors with this one. If doing what you love is 'about the money' then you are doing it wrong. It is absolutely true that in order to survive you will need either an income stream or an ability to successfully barter for your basic food, clothing, and shelter needs. That being said, I have yet to hear of a single thing that people 'love' to do for which there isn't some way to earn enough to keep you fed and housed and clothed. (One of the high school students I was mentoring piped up at this point in my conversation 'I love to smoke pot.' I had to take a moment to point out that, while it was clear they really enjoyed it, that instant gratification was more akin to lust than love in this particular case :-) I think the author is saying "If you are normal like me you love money like I do and so if what you are doing can't get you as much money as you could get doing something else you are stupid." And sadly a lot of people hold that particular statement to be true. Those same people can sometimes get very depressed around middle age, the halfway point in life expectancy, where they see 'the other half' of their life which is left and so far they have yet to have enjoy significantly the 'first half' and there is no 'third half.' Contrast that to people who have spent the first half of their life underpaid but loving what they were doing for most (if not all) of their days. If you imagine yourself, lying in a bed, slowly dying for whatever reason, what is more comfort to you? Your memories of doing the things you love or knowing you've got a huge bank balance? Growing up in Las Vegas I developed an unusual relationship with money. All around me people some days had "lots" of money and some days had "none." One of the girls in my high school's father was a professional poker player. He bought her a Cadillac when she turned 16, but couldn't afford the cost of running the air conditioning one summer. So I have always viewed money kind of like gasoline, in the sense that if you have enough you can drive a car from point A to point B, but if you have less perhaps you need to drive a motorcycle instead, and if you have none at all then its going to take a bicycle or walking to get there. It changed the flavor and the planning of the journey but it has never changed the destination. Summary: 1) It's not about money, its about loving what you do. 2) It's about the doing not the idea of someone who does. 3) When you're dying, whether by age or by a drunk driver's hand, you will be better off if you can look back on your life with fondness rather than feeling cheated that you had not yet gotten around to doing what you really wanted to do.
muhfuhkuh 16y ago
I think alot of this makes sense, in a certain context. It comes from a person writing about alot of people who don't actually have a passion, just a "moderate interest". A passion makes one get out of bed to do it, or research/study it, or talk incessantly about it, or practice it. They can't help but evangelize their passion, they would continue doing it even if they had to pay money to do it. When your passion is a loss-leader for you in a personal finance sense, then you could be ready to make it your living. In other words, make what you're living your living. Some people claim to love sitting around watching television, but in actuality they are lulled into it through boredom or exhaustion. If they had more energy, they perhaps wouldn't do 50% of those "loves" and do other things. I talk to guys in the workforce who say "man if I could just make money boatin' n' fishin', boy I'd be set." No, that's your weekend escape hatch. Get on that boat every day after work if you really want to get paid. See the pain points in the "want to boat recreationally" industry/market and then serve it. If you can't do it, then you're just one of those "weekend warriors" adrift with a couple sixers whittling time away. That's not a passion, that's not what you love. It's a pastime, like carving wood on the porch or reading romance novels before bedtime. Now, writing a romance novel in any professional capacity (yes even romance novels) takes a dedication that likely 90% of romance novel readers (or any other reading enthusiast who dreams wistfully of writing for a living) have the time, training, dedication, or inclination of doing. Of the remaining 10%, only a handful will have the amount of talent, perseverance, immunity to rejection and ridicule, and plain luck it takes to make a living out of it. If you don't like the odds, odds are you don't like the career. Don't do it. But don't listen to people who say you can't do your passion as a career. I refuse to believe your only choices in life is either be infinitely talented, connected, and lucky or to work for a corporation. There is in-between, and just because there are Zuckerbergs and JK Rowlings out there making everyone else in their field look bad with their embarrassment of successes, not everyone has or even needs that insane gobs of drive and dedication and luck. You just need to push at it every day like you did when you first started doing it. Consistence and persistence unlocks doors.
yzhengyu 16y ago
I can understand where she is coming from: if you can't survive doing what you love, what is the point of being a master carpenter if you can't support your family with it? Now this contradiction is probably more applicable outside the western developed nations, where making a living income is a much more difficult task than most of us here will think. I think a read of Maslow comes to mind. You can only start thinking about higher needs in his pyramid when the lower ones are met. I have yet to meet anyone who can cut out food and shelter from that base level.
johnrob 16y ago
You could get hit by a bus tomorrow. Life's too short, do what you love.
salexiev 15y ago
I died a little inside when I read this article. Do people truly believe this? If so there is no hope for any of you. I completely disagree with the arguments this article makes. One word can completely blow this out of the water and that word is PASSION. You love it — but you're not great at it - If you truly have a passion and love for something there is no possible way that not being great at something will get in your way. It does not matter if you have a natural skill or talent for it or not because you will do everything possible to be in the ranks with the greats in the field. If you are not willing to spend hundreds of hours more than your competition or peers practicing whatever you have a passion for, you may as well give it up. So this problem or hurdle has no chance standing up to someone that is truly passionate about something. You're skilled at your passion — but hate the work that surrounds it - Are you kidding? Do you really think that having to do some extra crap is going to get in the way of someone that lives and breathes what they are passionate about? There is no possible way that having to do some extra stuff you may not like is going to bring you down if you have a burning rocket in the back of your ass shooting you straight to your goals and a life full of love for what you do. That is what passion is, something that never goes out and always pushes you to do more, be more, and get more of the one thing that makes you satisfied. If you get off this rocket, you will never be satisfied, and that is not a life anyone should live. This is just such a lame excuse for not following your passion and if it really stands in your way, the thing you are pursuing is not your passion. You're too emotionally attached - Passion is a very strong emotion. Being emotionally attached is what people do, no matter how much the world may argue that it is not so. Just like the financial markets are not efficient and not everyone makes the most profitable decisions when trading, in life we make emotional decisions. The struggle is just weeding out all those emotions that are "just for the moment" and listening to the deep seeded passion within each and every one of us. If you are truly passionate about something, you better be attached or it will fail. No one will pay for it - In the words of Gary Vaynerchuk "You can monetize that shit. If you love ALF write an ALF blog. If you love Smurfs, Smurf-it-up!" I dont care what it is that you have a passion for, you will be able to monetize it and make money doing it. You have to do what you love and keep your eyes peeled for opportunities, read, learn, get involved, whatever it takes, and you will come to realization of what you have to do. It may come today, it may come years later, but if you stick to it, I guarantee you, THE OPPORTUNITY WILL COME! Nowadays the opportunity may already be here, but you have not done enough research to find it. There are websites out there like http://www.hiredfor.com http://www.hiredfor.com (disclosure: I am a co-founder of HiredFor) that will literally drop the opportunity to monetize anything you may have a passion for right in your lap! This must have been written for those who have given up hope. For those that agree check outhttp://www.hiredfor.com http://www.hiredfor.com and get started on following your passions and doing what you truly love, one step at a time.

49 points by gatsby 16y ago

dpcan 16y ago

Title is link-bait-ish, but article has some good points. A more appropriate title might have been, "Is doing what you love what you should actually be doing?" What I got from this article was that you have to evaluate several things about your passion before you decide to dedicate your life to it full-time, especially if you are going to try to make a living from it.

Semiapies 16y ago
Exactly. The defensiveness in other comments here just isn't warranted.

iamdave 16y ago

Counterpoints: You love it — but you're not great at But you're probably driven enough to find out what needs improvement, and you apply the advice given and the processes pointed out to you. You're skilled at your passion — but hate the work that surrounds it. Then you probably don't "love" it, do you? Or maybe you do love it, but your environment sucks. Change your environment. You're too emotionally attached. Scale it back, take a vacation, clear your mind. Own the issue. No one will pay for it. Someone will. My point? If you love it, make it work for you. Spend less time reading articles like this and spin a bad opportunity into a good one.

ansy 16y ago

"The dangerous man is the one who has only one idea, because then he’ll fight and die for it. The way real science goes is that you come up with lots of ideas, and most of them will be wrong." -- Francis Crick A slightly relevant quote from an unrelated article I recently read in the New Yorker[1] [1] http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentPage=all http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_...

ChuckMcM 16y ago

Ok so I'm going to go all contrarian here and provide counter points. 1. You love it but you aren't great at it. So she took a guy who was really enjoying his writing but wasn't as good as other writers. She steers him into a different job as a career so now he can work 9-5 at a job he doesn't like so he can retire and get back to his first love writing (Ok so I'm projecting he would still be writing if it was his choice). If he really loved writing, then he no doubt continues to write to this day. One of the ways that doing what you love can trip you up is when your passion is not internal but external. Perhaps the guy Scott didn't really love writing, he loved the idea of 'being a writer'. That is an externally imposed passion. If you love something so much that you do it whether or not people are paying you to do it, then you are passionate about the action. If doing what you do for work has no appeal to you outside of your workplace then its probably not 'love.' 2) Your skilled at your passion but hate the work that surrounds it. Here she uses a graphic designer who loves to design but quits her job to run a graphic design business. Then she finds she hates running the business. Doh! Those are two different jobs, running the business vs doing the graphic design. Now if the graphic designer knew someone who loved to run a business but didn't care much for the actual graphic design work, poof, match made in heaven. I've watched engineers who loved to code crash and burn when they wanted "to do more leadership" kinds of things. Its a different job, it has a different reward/influence structure, and its not at all like being able to code faster. For them, going back to coding returned them to balance and a much better level of happiness overall. 3. Your too emotionally attached Her example here is completely flawed, her 'failure' is a woman who wanted to help kids from N. Korea get adopted but instead is credited with cleaning up a polluted river. Ok, for one it wasn't clear if what Marion Stoddart loved helping people or loved helping kids in need of adoption. It certainly sounded like it was more of the former, just her first notion at a way she could help was adoption. Her second example is that writers who get too close to their work never improve. But that is a false dichotomy, improve by what standard? And what is too close? Sure you can have personality traits that make it more difficult to make money at what you love but it doesn't change the fundamentals. 4. No one will pay for it. She completely shows her true colors with this one. If doing what you love is 'about the money' then you are doing it wrong. It is absolutely true that in order to survive you will need either an income stream or an ability to successfully barter for your basic food, clothing, and shelter needs. That being said, I have yet to hear of a single thing that people 'love' to do for which there isn't some way to earn enough to keep you fed and housed and clothed. (One of the high school students I was mentoring piped up at this point in my conversation 'I love to smoke pot.' I had to take a moment to point out that, while it was clear they really enjoyed it, that instant gratification was more akin to lust than love in this particular case :-) I think the author is saying "If you are normal like me you love money like I do and so if what you are doing can't get you as much money as you could get doing something else you are stupid." And sadly a lot of people hold that particular statement to be true. Those same people can sometimes get very depressed around middle age, the halfway point in life expectancy, where they see 'the other half' of their life which is left and so far they have yet to have enjoy significantly the 'first half' and there is no 'third half.' Contrast that to people who have spent the first half of their life underpaid but loving what they were doing for most (if not all) of their days. If you imagine yourself, lying in a bed, slowly dying for whatever reason, what is more comfort to you? Your memories of doing the things you love or knowing you've got a huge bank balance? Growing up in Las Vegas I developed an unusual relationship with money. All around me people some days had "lots" of money and some days had "none." One of the girls in my high school's father was a professional poker player. He bought her a Cadillac when she turned 16, but couldn't afford the cost of running the air conditioning one summer. So I have always viewed money kind of like gasoline, in the sense that if you have enough you can drive a car from point A to point B, but if you have less perhaps you need to drive a motorcycle instead, and if you have none at all then its going to take a bicycle or walking to get there. It changed the flavor and the planning of the journey but it has never changed the destination. Summary: 1) It's not about money, its about loving what you do. 2) It's about the doing not the idea of someone who does. 3) When you're dying, whether by age or by a drunk driver's hand, you will be better off if you can look back on your life with fondness rather than feeling cheated that you had not yet gotten around to doing what you really wanted to do.

muhfuhkuh 16y ago

I think alot of this makes sense, in a certain context. It comes from a person writing about alot of people who don't actually have a passion, just a "moderate interest". A passion makes one get out of bed to do it, or research/study it, or talk incessantly about it, or practice it. They can't help but evangelize their passion, they would continue doing it even if they had to pay money to do it. When your passion is a loss-leader for you in a personal finance sense, then you could be ready to make it your living. In other words, make what you're living your living. Some people claim to love sitting around watching television, but in actuality they are lulled into it through boredom or exhaustion. If they had more energy, they perhaps wouldn't do 50% of those "loves" and do other things. I talk to guys in the workforce who say "man if I could just make money boatin' n' fishin', boy I'd be set." No, that's your weekend escape hatch. Get on that boat every day after work if you really want to get paid. See the pain points in the "want to boat recreationally" industry/market and then serve it. If you can't do it, then you're just one of those "weekend warriors" adrift with a couple sixers whittling time away. That's not a passion, that's not what you love. It's a pastime, like carving wood on the porch or reading romance novels before bedtime. Now, writing a romance novel in any professional capacity (yes even romance novels) takes a dedication that likely 90% of romance novel readers (or any other reading enthusiast who dreams wistfully of writing for a living) have the time, training, dedication, or inclination of doing. Of the remaining 10%, only a handful will have the amount of talent, perseverance, immunity to rejection and ridicule, and plain luck it takes to make a living out of it. If you don't like the odds, odds are you don't like the career. Don't do it. But don't listen to people who say you can't do your passion as a career. I refuse to believe your only choices in life is either be infinitely talented, connected, and lucky or to work for a corporation. There is in-between, and just because there are Zuckerbergs and JK Rowlings out there making everyone else in their field look bad with their embarrassment of successes, not everyone has or even needs that insane gobs of drive and dedication and luck. You just need to push at it every day like you did when you first started doing it. Consistence and persistence unlocks doors.

yzhengyu 16y ago

I can understand where she is coming from: if you can't survive doing what you love, what is the point of being a master carpenter if you can't support your family with it? Now this contradiction is probably more applicable outside the western developed nations, where making a living income is a much more difficult task than most of us here will think. I think a read of Maslow comes to mind. You can only start thinking about higher needs in his pyramid when the lower ones are met. I have yet to meet anyone who can cut out food and shelter from that base level.

johnrob 16y ago

You could get hit by a bus tomorrow. Life's too short, do what you love.

salexiev 15y ago

I died a little inside when I read this article. Do people truly believe this? If so there is no hope for any of you. I completely disagree with the arguments this article makes. One word can completely blow this out of the water and that word is PASSION. You love it — but you're not great at it - If you truly have a passion and love for something there is no possible way that not being great at something will get in your way. It does not matter if you have a natural skill or talent for it or not because you will do everything possible to be in the ranks with the greats in the field. If you are not willing to spend hundreds of hours more than your competition or peers practicing whatever you have a passion for, you may as well give it up. So this problem or hurdle has no chance standing up to someone that is truly passionate about something. You're skilled at your passion — but hate the work that surrounds it - Are you kidding? Do you really think that having to do some extra crap is going to get in the way of someone that lives and breathes what they are passionate about? There is no possible way that having to do some extra stuff you may not like is going to bring you down if you have a burning rocket in the back of your ass shooting you straight to your goals and a life full of love for what you do. That is what passion is, something that never goes out and always pushes you to do more, be more, and get more of the one thing that makes you satisfied. If you get off this rocket, you will never be satisfied, and that is not a life anyone should live. This is just such a lame excuse for not following your passion and if it really stands in your way, the thing you are pursuing is not your passion. You're too emotionally attached - Passion is a very strong emotion. Being emotionally attached is what people do, no matter how much the world may argue that it is not so. Just like the financial markets are not efficient and not everyone makes the most profitable decisions when trading, in life we make emotional decisions. The struggle is just weeding out all those emotions that are "just for the moment" and listening to the deep seeded passion within each and every one of us. If you are truly passionate about something, you better be attached or it will fail. No one will pay for it - In the words of Gary Vaynerchuk "You can monetize that shit. If you love ALF write an ALF blog. If you love Smurfs, Smurf-it-up!" I dont care what it is that you have a passion for, you will be able to monetize it and make money doing it. You have to do what you love and keep your eyes peeled for opportunities, read, learn, get involved, whatever it takes, and you will come to realization of what you have to do. It may come today, it may come years later, but if you stick to it, I guarantee you, THE OPPORTUNITY WILL COME! Nowadays the opportunity may already be here, but you have not done enough research to find it. There are websites out there like http://www.hiredfor.com http://www.hiredfor.com (disclosure: I am a co-founder of HiredFor) that will literally drop the opportunity to monetize anything you may have a passion for right in your lap! This must have been written for those who have given up hope. For those that agree check outhttp://www.hiredfor.com http://www.hiredfor.com and get started on following your passions and doing what you truly love, one step at a time.