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True. But while I don't disagree that Police is often as culpable as the ruling class, I'm weary of these methods. You don't doxx police officers and paste the

by eecc 6y ago

True. But while I don't disagree that Police is often as culpable as the ruling class, I'm weary of these methods. You don't doxx police officers and paste their IDs online. The chance you're taking, the certainty indeed, is that someone will follow through (perhaps even an agent provocateur) providing the justification for waves of ruthless revenge. Nope, you bring your dossiers to a higher court and ask for Justice (EU, ICJ, UN.) Edit: unless of course the situation has deteriorated so badly that the prospect of civil war with all its casualties and pain is on the table.

anigbrowl 6y ago
Have you noticed how ridiculously long it takes to get anything done by the institutional route, and how this is partly because reactionaries expend effort on undermining those very institutions (the US, for example, has gone from proposing the establishment of something like the ICJ, to refusing to take part in it, to threatening sanctions against it)?
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > the US, for example, has gone from proposing the establishment of something like the ICJ, to refusing to take part in it, to threatening sanctions against it You seem to be confusing the International Court of Justice (ICJ) with the International Criminal Court (ICC).
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    Good catch, I made a careless mistake. Thanks. On the other hand, I think my point about national attacks on supranational institutions remains relevant.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Nope, you bring your dossiers to a higher court and ask for Justice (EU, ICJ, UN.) The EU isn't a court, and European institutions (including European courts like the ECHR) are particularly not "higher courts" over police in the US. The ICJ hears only cases between state parties, not between states and their subjects, and the UN isn't a court at all, and, again, is only a forum for state parties, not for disputes between individuals and states, though sometimes you can get a state party to stand up for subjects of another state; but, that's not really much of a practical option if the offending state is the US, both because of its Security Council role (which Uniting for Peace, in theory, provides a route around through the General Assembly), and because of its hyperpower status (which means that there is, in practice, no way to enforce a decision against it, even if one was reached through UfP.)
- eecc 6y ago
  Yes, sorry to have wasted your time... fora, not courts; places to make your grievances public and ask for justice.

by eecc 6y ago

anigbrowl 6y ago

Have you noticed how ridiculously long it takes to get anything done by the institutional route, and how this is partly because reactionaries expend effort on undermining those very institutions (the US, for example, has gone from proposing the establishment of something like the ICJ, to refusing to take part in it, to threatening sanctions against it)?

dragonwriter 6y ago
> the US, for example, has gone from proposing the establishment of something like the ICJ, to refusing to take part in it, to threatening sanctions against it You seem to be confusing the International Court of Justice (ICJ) with the International Criminal Court (ICC).
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  Good catch, I made a careless mistake. Thanks. On the other hand, I think my point about national attacks on supranational institutions remains relevant.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Nope, you bring your dossiers to a higher court and ask for Justice (EU, ICJ, UN.) The EU isn't a court, and European institutions (including European courts like the ECHR) are particularly not "higher courts" over police in the US. The ICJ hears only cases between state parties, not between states and their subjects, and the UN isn't a court at all, and, again, is only a forum for state parties, not for disputes between individuals and states, though sometimes you can get a state party to stand up for subjects of another state; but, that's not really much of a practical option if the offending state is the US, both because of its Security Council role (which Uniting for Peace, in theory, provides a route around through the General Assembly), and because of its hyperpower status (which means that there is, in practice, no way to enforce a decision against it, even if one was reached through UfP.)

eecc 6y ago
Yes, sorry to have wasted your time... fora, not courts; places to make your grievances public and ask for justice.