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>For another perspective, Gwern has some self trials with LSD that also showed some worrisome negative trends: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing https://www

>For another perspective, Gwern has some self trials with LSD that also showed some worrisome negative trends: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing As usual with gwern always an interesting article. I admit that I only skimmed but his experience seems to me very atypical. He talks very little about his experience with the 250μg dose, almost dismissing it. 250μg is a very strong dose for a first timer. I would be very surprised to get a meh reaction from anyone after such a first experience. He then took only a week for a tolerance break when the recommended amount is 2 weeks. Then for the experiment he ingested 25μg. I took that amount a couple of times (my first experiences) and while it's not the classic LSD experience you are in no way unsure if you are drugged or not. I think he just got bad tabs...

leftyted 6y ago
> I admit that I only skimmed but his experience seems to me very atypical. He talks very little about his experience with the 250μg dose, almost dismissing it. He doesn't dismiss it. He writes: > During the walk, I notice my body seems to be feeling ‘mechanical’ and my movements weaker, with my skin feeling like a flesh glove (if that metaphor makes sense), although at the same time, the bright sunlight and cool wind feel exceptionally vivid to my senses; I was reminded of when I went skydiving and on the way down, the world seemed to ‘pop’. > One persistent problem was my jaw or neck muscles seemed to be rigid or clenching and I had to keep relaxing them or they would create a sort of want-to-vomit feeling, which was pretty strange when I focused on it. But I still wasn’t impressed by the experience. > I happened to spend a little time cloud-watching, and I realized that the clouds were strobing like stop-animation as I focused on individual patches; in particular, I realized that I could force a visual flip (like the young/old woman optical illusion or the rabbit-duck illusion) from seeing a sky of blue with thin clouds to a roiling stormscape where the blue was the black, and the white clouds were just the illuminated underside. Quite interesting, and an unexpected figure-ground inversion. I also could temporarily force pareidolia by visualizing and willing the clouds to form claw or grasping hands or vaguely human-like shapes. > Back home, I spent the next 2-3 hours listening to music by Explosions in the Sky tracks, which while planning I had thought would sound better on LSD. I was right - the experience was amazing. Lying in bed with my eyes blindfolded and just listening carefully, I have never followed the music so well, or been so moved emotionally or physically by it. My misanthropic soul was moved twice to tears. There's no way he'd have those experiences with "bad tabs". I think you're mistaking his prose style here, which is attempting objectivity, with "dismissiveness".
- WrathOfJay 6y ago
  None of that sounds like microdosing to me.
  - leftyted 6y ago
    Correct, it's from 250μg
- krelian 6y ago
  I didn't mean to say that they were a total dud but that the tabs were severely underdosed. His experience sounds like a 50μg trip at most, not 250.

leftyted 6y ago

> I admit that I only skimmed but his experience seems to me very atypical. He talks very little about his experience with the 250μg dose, almost dismissing it. He doesn't dismiss it. He writes: > During the walk, I notice my body seems to be feeling ‘mechanical’ and my movements weaker, with my skin feeling like a flesh glove (if that metaphor makes sense), although at the same time, the bright sunlight and cool wind feel exceptionally vivid to my senses; I was reminded of when I went skydiving and on the way down, the world seemed to ‘pop’. > One persistent problem was my jaw or neck muscles seemed to be rigid or clenching and I had to keep relaxing them or they would create a sort of want-to-vomit feeling, which was pretty strange when I focused on it. But I still wasn’t impressed by the experience. > I happened to spend a little time cloud-watching, and I realized that the clouds were strobing like stop-animation as I focused on individual patches; in particular, I realized that I could force a visual flip (like the young/old woman optical illusion or the rabbit-duck illusion) from seeing a sky of blue with thin clouds to a roiling stormscape where the blue was the black, and the white clouds were just the illuminated underside. Quite interesting, and an unexpected figure-ground inversion. I also could temporarily force pareidolia by visualizing and willing the clouds to form claw or grasping hands or vaguely human-like shapes. > Back home, I spent the next 2-3 hours listening to music by Explosions in the Sky tracks, which while planning I had thought would sound better on LSD. I was right - the experience was amazing. Lying in bed with my eyes blindfolded and just listening carefully, I have never followed the music so well, or been so moved emotionally or physically by it. My misanthropic soul was moved twice to tears. There's no way he'd have those experiences with "bad tabs". I think you're mistaking his prose style here, which is attempting objectivity, with "dismissiveness".

WrathOfJay 6y ago
None of that sounds like microdosing to me.
- leftyted 6y ago
  Correct, it's from 250μg
krelian 6y ago
I didn't mean to say that they were a total dud but that the tabs were severely underdosed. His experience sounds like a 50μg trip at most, not 250.