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I mean it makes sense socialism removes any real chance of your country being successful so if you think your country has a chance accepting defeat would be hor
by tick_tock_tick 6y ago
I mean it makes sense socialism removes any real chance of your country being successful so if you think your country has a chance accepting defeat would be horrible.
- mikepurvis 6y agoDoesn't the truth of this hang on what the definition of "success" is? Is ability to produce the occasional Mark Z or Jeff B "success"? Or is success just an upward slope on broad economic indicators like GDP? I think the picture looks quite different if you look at things like quality of life indicators— and then it's (surprise!) nations like Denmark and Switzerland which top the list. I suspect it would be even more stark if you were able to measure class mobility— the number of people who have at least +x% inflation adjusted net worth over their parents at the same age. So yeah, it's a little bizarre (and a very US-centric view) to just assume that "success" on a national level and socialist policies are mutually exclusive.
- tick_tock_tick 6y agoDenmark and Switzerland are objectively capitalist systems and have little to no state control of the means of production.
- mikepurvis 6y agoOkay, but that's moving the goalposts. For the purposes of this discussion, most Americans who pull the alarm on "socialism" do so when things like wealth taxes (or single-payer healthcare, or free tuition) are mentioned.