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That was confusing. When I saw the app and that it offers in-app purchases, I thought something minimal would be possible without a purchase. But after download

by AnonHP 6y ago

That was confusing. When I saw the app and that it offers in-app purchases, I thought something minimal would be possible without a purchase. But after downloading and launching it, I see the prompt to buy the subscription or the one time purchase, and nothing more. The app description on the store doesn’t make this — that a purchase must be made to use it — clear either. Edit: An observation I’ve had is that third party camera apps on iOS have a niche audience because they cannot be the default app. If you swipe left on the Lock Screen or tap on the camera icon on the Lock Screen, only Apple’s stock camera will open. I hope Apple adds more app types to have defaults set to third party apps. I know Apple cares about camera launch time and how quickly photos can be taken. There could be a minimum performance threshold set for that. It’s high time!

iamunr 6y ago
Such a sad part of iOS. I have several high quality photo apps I prefer, and almost always end up using the default one because its easier to access.
- skavi 6y ago
  To be fair, Android also doesn’t make third party camera apps accessible while locked.
  - freeone3000 6y ago
    I can bind double-tap on the side key to any app, and my lock screen launcher can have any complication it likes. So, yes?
  - jotux 6y ago
    Just installed a 3rd party app on my pixel 3, made it the default and tried this. Worked just fine and popped up the 3rd party app.
  - comeonseriously 6y ago
    But why bring up Android at all? Halide doesn't work on Android and this entire discussion is about iOS.
  - ayoisaiah 6y ago
    That's not true. You can change the lockscreen shortcuts on Samsung phones for example
sandofsky 6y ago
Halide author here. Previously, you would pay-once at the time of download, so this isn't much different than what we had before. That said, we wish the App Store offered a better solution than what we had to settle with; we'd much rather people know up-front the business model than download the app, be surprised, and possibly leave a negative review. As far as replacing the first party camera, it's by far our top user request. Some users have come up with interesting hacks via shortcuts or the back-tap gesture, but we'd much rather the user be able to customize it similar to how iOS now lets you set a different default browser. Hopefully someday!
- andrewmunsell 6y ago
  So, genuine question-- why did Apple allow Mk II into the App Store if the first screen is a "you must make a purchase", which is exactly what they rejected Hey for? Is there a trial of some sort to satisfy the requirement that your app has to "work" on download (edit: or are Apple IAP paywalls ok and I am just misunderstanding the App Store rules, which is very easy to do...)?
  - frakkingcylons 6y ago
    Apple’s issue with Hey was that you couldn’t pay for it via IAP.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - red_trumpet 6y ago
    This article (https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/16/21293419/hey-apple-rejection-ios-app-store-dhh-gangsters-antitrust https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/16/21293419/hey-apple-reject...) suggests that Hey was rejected because it didn't use Apple's in-app purchases?
    - andrewmunsell 6y ago
      Which could make sense, but Phil Schiller actually directly said > “You download the app and it doesn’t work, that’s not what we want on the store,” https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/18/interview-apples-schiller-says-position-on-hey-app-is-unchanged-and-no-rules-changes-are-imminent/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/18/interview-apples-schiller-... Now, he does follow with (quoting the TechCrunch article): > This, he says, is why Apple requires in-app purchases to offer the same purchasing functionality as they would have elsewhere. So, even though I, as a user, may consider the app to "not work" if it just asks me for a purchase immediately, Apple appears to consider an IAP prompt to be ok. Anyways, I am an Halide v1 user so I have access to Mk II and love the app, but I'm just curious about how Apple makes these decisions.
LeoPanthera 6y ago
I'm so tired of everything becoming a subscription. The worst part is, in-app purchases don't translate to family accounts, so we're back to the Bad Old Days of buying apps multiple times for multiple devices. And that's even worse when it's a subscription.
- the_lucifer 6y ago
  It’s weird because apple recently added IAP family sharing but I’ve yet to see an app add support for it (I can see why though, it’s easy to get people to double dip when they’re in a family and can’t share it)
cageface 6y ago
I had the same problem. An automatic upgrade rendered my previously functional app unusable. After tapping around for a minute in frustration to try to find some way to dismiss the new subscription screen I deleted the app. I really do sympathize with the plight of indie developers on the app store but this is too much.
- inickt 6y ago
  This was fixed in the 2.0.1 update. It came out pretty quick after the initial release, but looks like you hit the unlucky window of having 2.0? If you had Halide previously and download it again it will upgrade you for free.

by AnonHP 6y ago

iamunr 6y ago

Such a sad part of iOS. I have several high quality photo apps I prefer, and almost always end up using the default one because its easier to access.

skavi 6y ago
To be fair, Android also doesn’t make third party camera apps accessible while locked.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  I can bind double-tap on the side key to any app, and my lock screen launcher can have any complication it likes. So, yes?
- jotux 6y ago
  Just installed a 3rd party app on my pixel 3, made it the default and tried this. Worked just fine and popped up the 3rd party app.
- comeonseriously 6y ago
  But why bring up Android at all? Halide doesn't work on Android and this entire discussion is about iOS.
- ayoisaiah 6y ago
  That's not true. You can change the lockscreen shortcuts on Samsung phones for example

sandofsky 6y ago

Halide author here. Previously, you would pay-once at the time of download, so this isn't much different than what we had before. That said, we wish the App Store offered a better solution than what we had to settle with; we'd much rather people know up-front the business model than download the app, be surprised, and possibly leave a negative review. As far as replacing the first party camera, it's by far our top user request. Some users have come up with interesting hacks via shortcuts or the back-tap gesture, but we'd much rather the user be able to customize it similar to how iOS now lets you set a different default browser. Hopefully someday!

andrewmunsell 6y ago
So, genuine question-- why did Apple allow Mk II into the App Store if the first screen is a "you must make a purchase", which is exactly what they rejected Hey for? Is there a trial of some sort to satisfy the requirement that your app has to "work" on download (edit: or are Apple IAP paywalls ok and I am just misunderstanding the App Store rules, which is very easy to do...)?
- frakkingcylons 6y ago
  Apple’s issue with Hey was that you couldn’t pay for it via IAP.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- red_trumpet 6y ago
  This article (https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/16/21293419/hey-apple-rejection-ios-app-store-dhh-gangsters-antitrust https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/16/21293419/hey-apple-reject...) suggests that Hey was rejected because it didn't use Apple's in-app purchases?
  - andrewmunsell 6y ago
    Which could make sense, but Phil Schiller actually directly said > “You download the app and it doesn’t work, that’s not what we want on the store,” https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/18/interview-apples-schiller-says-position-on-hey-app-is-unchanged-and-no-rules-changes-are-imminent/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/18/interview-apples-schiller-... Now, he does follow with (quoting the TechCrunch article): > This, he says, is why Apple requires in-app purchases to offer the same purchasing functionality as they would have elsewhere. So, even though I, as a user, may consider the app to "not work" if it just asks me for a purchase immediately, Apple appears to consider an IAP prompt to be ok. Anyways, I am an Halide v1 user so I have access to Mk II and love the app, but I'm just curious about how Apple makes these decisions.

LeoPanthera 6y ago

I'm so tired of everything becoming a subscription. The worst part is, in-app purchases don't translate to family accounts, so we're back to the Bad Old Days of buying apps multiple times for multiple devices. And that's even worse when it's a subscription.

the_lucifer 6y ago
It’s weird because apple recently added IAP family sharing but I’ve yet to see an app add support for it (I can see why though, it’s easy to get people to double dip when they’re in a family and can’t share it)

cageface 6y ago

I had the same problem. An automatic upgrade rendered my previously functional app unusable. After tapping around for a minute in frustration to try to find some way to dismiss the new subscription screen I deleted the app. I really do sympathize with the plight of indie developers on the app store but this is too much.

inickt 6y ago
This was fixed in the 2.0.1 update. It came out pretty quick after the initial release, but looks like you hit the unlucky window of having 2.0? If you had Halide previously and download it again it will upgrade you for free.