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If it was neutral or positive to your health you would choose to wear it by choice. Did you wear masks last year for fun and pleasure? Do you think re-breathi

If it was neutral or positive to your health you would choose to wear it by choice. Did you wear masks last year for fun and pleasure? Do you think re-breathing your exhaled is a good idea? From my personal experience, I can only report minor negative effects. I certainly don't think anyone operating machinery (eg drivers) should be wearing one. Surgeons wearing masks for a period of time during an operation is not the same thing. But I would expect that those surgeons that wear masks the most would suffer with dental issues, sores, and breathing issues. Are you able to prove that there are no deleterious effects? Its not proven that masks prevents particulate transmission. Can you provide reliable evidence for your claim? And to governments now, can you provide that evidence before you start enforcing mandates please? And, why the evidence is so patchy - no distancing or masks in Sweden. Sometimes masks are mandatory and advised, then sometimes not. Its mixed messaging because there is no evidence.

edmundsauto 6y ago
> If it was neutral or positive to your health you would choose to wear it by choice. This is not a logical conclusion. However, in Japanese culture, people wear masks by choice when they are ill. So it's not universal that people don't choose to wear masks. > Are you able to prove that there are no deleterious effects? That's not how it works - the side making a claim has to provide evidence. > Its not proven that masks prevents particulate transmission. Can you provide reliable evidence for your claim? CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-to-make-cloth-face-covering.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si... Mayo Clinic - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... UCSF - https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-abou... > Its mixed messaging because there is no evidence It's mixed messaging because this was a novel virus, and we didn't know how to deal with it at first. Also, with shortage supplies, the initial guidance was focused on ensuring sufficient PPE would be available to medical workers. Finally, it's a very complex situation - looking at something in isolation is reductionist and doesn't help with understanding.
- feralimal 6y ago
  > > Are you able to prove that there are no deleterious effects? > That's not how it works - the side making a claim has to provide evidence. Lol! Who is making the claim? Is it me who's saying that we should be able to breath as nature intended (without masks)? Or you who's saying that we should wear masks? Who has to prove their case do you think?!? And a breaking story - "Covid-19 study on mask-wearing efficacy rejected by journals" https://www.rt.com/news/504219-danish-mask-study-rejected-coronavirus/ https://www.rt.com/news/504219-danish-mask-study-rejected-co... No one will publish the study...
  - edmundsauto 6y ago
    > Lol! Who is making the claim? You are making the claim that masks hinder respiration. This has not been supported by evidence, theoretical or outcome based. What is your hypothesis for the mechanism? We know that gases diffuse through the material. > No one will publish the study... The fact that a single study is problematic - without specifying why it's problematic, and without any mention of the many other studies - is not a very strong discussion point. I appreciate the time you put in, but I think we're so far apart that I don't see any reason to continue this thread.

edmundsauto 6y ago

> If it was neutral or positive to your health you would choose to wear it by choice. This is not a logical conclusion. However, in Japanese culture, people wear masks by choice when they are ill. So it's not universal that people don't choose to wear masks. > Are you able to prove that there are no deleterious effects? That's not how it works - the side making a claim has to provide evidence. > Its not proven that masks prevents particulate transmission. Can you provide reliable evidence for your claim? CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-to-make-cloth-face-covering.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si... Mayo Clinic - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... UCSF - https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-abou... > Its mixed messaging because there is no evidence It's mixed messaging because this was a novel virus, and we didn't know how to deal with it at first. Also, with shortage supplies, the initial guidance was focused on ensuring sufficient PPE would be available to medical workers. Finally, it's a very complex situation - looking at something in isolation is reductionist and doesn't help with understanding.

feralimal 6y ago
> > Are you able to prove that there are no deleterious effects? > That's not how it works - the side making a claim has to provide evidence. Lol! Who is making the claim? Is it me who's saying that we should be able to breath as nature intended (without masks)? Or you who's saying that we should wear masks? Who has to prove their case do you think?!? And a breaking story - "Covid-19 study on mask-wearing efficacy rejected by journals" https://www.rt.com/news/504219-danish-mask-study-rejected-coronavirus/ https://www.rt.com/news/504219-danish-mask-study-rejected-co... No one will publish the study...
- edmundsauto 6y ago
  > Lol! Who is making the claim? You are making the claim that masks hinder respiration. This has not been supported by evidence, theoretical or outcome based. What is your hypothesis for the mechanism? We know that gases diffuse through the material. > No one will publish the study... The fact that a single study is problematic - without specifying why it's problematic, and without any mention of the many other studies - is not a very strong discussion point. I appreciate the time you put in, but I think we're so far apart that I don't see any reason to continue this thread.