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To me, the big story about the Cybertruck has always been that it's a Tesla that's being launched price competitive with equivalent ICE vehicles. A 2WD Tundra o

To me, the big story about the Cybertruck has always been that it's a Tesla that's being launched price competitive with equivalent ICE vehicles. A 2WD Tundra or F150 with King Cab style 4 doors is only a couple grand less than the Cybertruck. A year of gas savings puts you ahead of the game in the Cybertruck. With the Hummer at $110,000? All that goes out the door. You can buy a loaded to the gills gas guzzler and pay for 10 years of gas and still have $10,000 in the bank. Ultimately the Cybertruck is the sort of EV which might hit mass adoption. The price is decent, Tesla has the brand to carry it, so long as the truck delivers on it's promises, I can see the Cybertruck being a huge hit. The Hummer is destined to ship a few thousand in the first couple years, then gather dust in showrooms.

foepys 6y ago
> Ultimately the Cybertruck is the sort of EV which might hit mass adoption. This car is too big for European streets. Might sale well in parts of the US but that's it.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > This car is too big for European streets. Yep, but then most American trucks it's designed to offset are as well.
- theshrike79 6y ago
  They're making a smaller version for EU.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    I sure hope they do and make it available in the US too. I have a very pickup truck lifestyle, but a smaller truck would work fine.
    - rightbyte 6y ago
      Honest question. Except for wild game and things that stink in general, why do you get a pick-up instead of eg. a big combi? They are so common in the US but only hunters and farmers have them where I live.
      - ogre_codes 6y ago
        I ride mountain bikes, often there will be 4-5 of us in the truck with 4 bikes on the rack and one or two in the bed. Sometimes we'll have the truck full of people and 2 people in the bed along with a couple bikes. I might be able to get away with a Model Y, or something comparable.
therealdrag0 6y ago
Why cybertruck over Ford's own electric F150?
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Has Ford even announced the electric F150 officially what is pricing like on it? Maybe the eF150 will be the stuff. Just haven't seen anything on it.
  - therealdrag0 6y ago
    You're right. That they were making an electric f150 has been known for long ago I assumed there was more information out by now. :/
    - jdhn 6y ago
      The hybrid F-150 is coming out in 2021, and more news about the electric F-150 is coming out in 2021 as well for a 2022 release. Ford definitely wants to move on this, but traditional pickup owners are slightly resistent to change (see the hubbub over Ford's own transition to twin turbo V6 engines from V8s, and a switch from steel to aluminum for body construction).
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      Right now the eTruck market is rife with rumors and potential products so it's really hard to know where this market is going. For the moment anyhow, the Cybertruck is by far the most affordable of the eTruck options announced. The base model and the base 4WD are $20,000+ less than the rest of the truck EVs out there. Since Ford is seemingly pretty far behind in the EV game, if they announce an F150 well under that mark, I'd be surprised. But if they do, it'll likely be hugely popular. The Cybertruck's looks don't do it any favors in this market. Also, those giant sides on the bed really put a hit on the utility.
driverdan 6y ago
> You can buy a loaded to the gills gas guzzler and pay for 10 years of gas and still have $10,000 in the bank. A "loaded to the gills" gas pickup is the same price range as this electric Hummer. Pickups are very expensive.
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  Yeah, I don't think people outside of very specific areas realize how easy it is to "option up" trucks to $80/$90k. There are hundreds of GMC 3500 Denalis going for >$80k on Autotrader: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/all-cars/gmc/sierra-3500/santa-rosa-ca-95401?dma=&searchRadius=0&location=&marketExtension=include&isNewSearch=false&showAccelerateBanner=false&sortBy=derivedpriceDESC&numRecords=25&firstRecord=25 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/all-cars/gmc/sierra... And that's before you get to the really bougie stuff -- some Ford F350s start at $85k and there's a handful of MSRP >$100k: https://shop.ford.com/build/superduty/#/config/Config%5B%7CFord%7CSuperDuty%7C2020%7C1%7C1.%7C718A.W3B.160....LTD.CRW.YZKAA.SRW.350.CBB.%5D https://shop.ford.com/build/superduty/#/config/Config%5B%7CF...
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Well yes, but when you start talking about $100k pick-ups, you are looking at very small sales numbers regardless.
m463 6y ago
I think it's like elon musk said during battery day. He could make a car infinitely desirable, but it wouldn't matter if nobody could afford it.
itsoktocry 6y ago
>To me, the big story about the Cybertruck has always been that it's a Tesla that's being launched price competitive with equivalent ICE vehicles. Where can a person go buy a Cybertruck for the advertised price? Tesla has a history of claiming their cars will be cheaper than they end up being. I'm extremely skeptical that they manage to build that truck for $40k.

foepys 6y ago

> Ultimately the Cybertruck is the sort of EV which might hit mass adoption. This car is too big for European streets. Might sale well in parts of the US but that's it.

ogre_codes 6y ago
> This car is too big for European streets. Yep, but then most American trucks it's designed to offset are as well.
theshrike79 6y ago
They're making a smaller version for EU.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  I sure hope they do and make it available in the US too. I have a very pickup truck lifestyle, but a smaller truck would work fine.
  - rightbyte 6y ago
    Honest question. Except for wild game and things that stink in general, why do you get a pick-up instead of eg. a big combi? They are so common in the US but only hunters and farmers have them where I live.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      I ride mountain bikes, often there will be 4-5 of us in the truck with 4 bikes on the rack and one or two in the bed. Sometimes we'll have the truck full of people and 2 people in the bed along with a couple bikes. I might be able to get away with a Model Y, or something comparable.

therealdrag0 6y ago

Why cybertruck over Ford's own electric F150?

ogre_codes 6y ago
Has Ford even announced the electric F150 officially what is pricing like on it? Maybe the eF150 will be the stuff. Just haven't seen anything on it.
- therealdrag0 6y ago
  You're right. That they were making an electric f150 has been known for long ago I assumed there was more information out by now. :/
  - jdhn 6y ago
    The hybrid F-150 is coming out in 2021, and more news about the electric F-150 is coming out in 2021 as well for a 2022 release. Ford definitely wants to move on this, but traditional pickup owners are slightly resistent to change (see the hubbub over Ford's own transition to twin turbo V6 engines from V8s, and a switch from steel to aluminum for body construction).
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Right now the eTruck market is rife with rumors and potential products so it's really hard to know where this market is going. For the moment anyhow, the Cybertruck is by far the most affordable of the eTruck options announced. The base model and the base 4WD are $20,000+ less than the rest of the truck EVs out there. Since Ford is seemingly pretty far behind in the EV game, if they announce an F150 well under that mark, I'd be surprised. But if they do, it'll likely be hugely popular. The Cybertruck's looks don't do it any favors in this market. Also, those giant sides on the bed really put a hit on the utility.

driverdan 6y ago

> You can buy a loaded to the gills gas guzzler and pay for 10 years of gas and still have $10,000 in the bank. A "loaded to the gills" gas pickup is the same price range as this electric Hummer. Pickups are very expensive.

mikeyouse 6y ago
Yeah, I don't think people outside of very specific areas realize how easy it is to "option up" trucks to $80/$90k. There are hundreds of GMC 3500 Denalis going for >$80k on Autotrader: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/all-cars/gmc/sierra-3500/santa-rosa-ca-95401?dma=&searchRadius=0&location=&marketExtension=include&isNewSearch=false&showAccelerateBanner=false&sortBy=derivedpriceDESC&numRecords=25&firstRecord=25 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/all-cars/gmc/sierra... And that's before you get to the really bougie stuff -- some Ford F350s start at $85k and there's a handful of MSRP >$100k: https://shop.ford.com/build/superduty/#/config/Config%5B%7CFord%7CSuperDuty%7C2020%7C1%7C1.%7C718A.W3B.160....LTD.CRW.YZKAA.SRW.350.CBB.%5D https://shop.ford.com/build/superduty/#/config/Config%5B%7CF...
ogre_codes 6y ago
Well yes, but when you start talking about $100k pick-ups, you are looking at very small sales numbers regardless.

m463 6y ago

I think it's like elon musk said during battery day. He could make a car infinitely desirable, but it wouldn't matter if nobody could afford it.

itsoktocry 6y ago

>To me, the big story about the Cybertruck has always been that it's a Tesla that's being launched price competitive with equivalent ICE vehicles. Where can a person go buy a Cybertruck for the advertised price? Tesla has a history of claiming their cars will be cheaper than they end up being. I'm extremely skeptical that they manage to build that truck for $40k.