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One thing people aren't talking enough about is, the charging. A 200kwh battery that only gets 300mi of range is TERRIBLE. Especially if they are making the nu

One thing people aren't talking enough about is, the charging. A 200kwh battery that only gets 300mi of range is TERRIBLE. Especially if they are making the numbers pretty like Tesla does. Even the fastest at home charger you can buy will take ~22 hours to charge the vehicle, or more like 18 hours if you do standard 20% to 80% charging. If you daily drive this thing 300 miles a week, you will need to charge it for almost an entire day of that week. Let's take 40 miles a day as an example, it will need a charge by Saturday, and it will basically charge all the way until late Sunday... The 800v charger they are referencing has no network, I cannot even find one in the entire state of Florida. This thing is years out from being practical, where as a Tesla is practical today.

adrianN 6y ago
You plug in electric vehicles over night, or whenever you're parking. Charging time is only an issue for long roadtrips.
- notatoad 6y ago
  charging time is an issue wherever it takes longer than the vehicle is expected to park. i genearally agree that people overvalue fast charging, but if the parent comment is accurate and it will take 22hrs to charge on a home charger, that's longer than overnight charging. that's really not acceptable.
  - rconti 6y ago
    Yeah, the charger for my model 3 charges at the car's max onboard charger current of 48a; 48a * 240v = 11.520kW. We charge the car to 90%, every time the battery is down to perhaps 100 miles of range, and it takes ~3h. Technically 0-75kWh at max current (which wouldn't happen but let's play) would take 6.5 hours. For the Hummer, 200/11.520 = 17.4 hours. Yikes.
- Hypx 6y ago
  At 200 kWh this might not be possible. Depending on your charging speed, you might not be able to fully recharge in one night.
  - adrianN 6y ago
    You only need 200kWh if you empty your battery every day. Few people drive 300 miles every day. A normal power plug can provide 3.6kW or so, so around 40kWh in a night. That's probably already enough for most drivers. I assume people who can afford this car can also afford a 48A circuit for charging.
    - Hypx 6y ago
      For a vehicle of this size, that might be only 60 miles or so. It's possible to drive normally and still find yourself short on charge every night. A 48A circuit is probably required for acceptable charging times. Plus it would be legitimately expensive, since you're blowing through 40 kWh every day. Compared to a gasoline car that's normally sized, this might be more expensive to drive.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        A Hummer H2 got less range with an 32 gallon tank. At standard LA prices of $3.50 (right now), that was $112 every time the tank was refilled. A normal sedan like a 2020 Camry has a 14 gallon tank, which would cost approximately $49 to refill. How much you pay for electricity depends on where you live, so it's very possible that a Hummer EV would cost less than an ICE sedan on a refueling cost basis.
        Hypx 6y ago
        A normal sedan would get around 35 mpg. If you pay more than $0.15/kWh, a Hummer EV would be the more expensive vehicle to drive. This figure gets worse if you compare it to a hybrid sedan that can reach 50 mpg.
        6y ago
turtlebits 6y ago
This isn't surprising, considering the fuel economy of an a regular Hummer compared to an ICE car. I'm actually glad a luxury priced vehicle finally has a decent range, considering the I-pace, E-tron, EQC, taycan have equivalent range to the much cheaper Tesla model 3 and Chevy Bolt. (~220-240mi)
xyst 6y ago
If this is the case and the source of energy is unclean, then how does it compare to its ICE counterpart in terms of CO2 output? I will need to lookup the source, but electricity generated by fossil fuel sources are to a certain degree dirtier than just using the fossil fuel source directly in the vehicle.

adrianN 6y ago

You plug in electric vehicles over night, or whenever you're parking. Charging time is only an issue for long roadtrips.

notatoad 6y ago
charging time is an issue wherever it takes longer than the vehicle is expected to park. i genearally agree that people overvalue fast charging, but if the parent comment is accurate and it will take 22hrs to charge on a home charger, that's longer than overnight charging. that's really not acceptable.
- rconti 6y ago
  Yeah, the charger for my model 3 charges at the car's max onboard charger current of 48a; 48a * 240v = 11.520kW. We charge the car to 90%, every time the battery is down to perhaps 100 miles of range, and it takes ~3h. Technically 0-75kWh at max current (which wouldn't happen but let's play) would take 6.5 hours. For the Hummer, 200/11.520 = 17.4 hours. Yikes.
Hypx 6y ago
At 200 kWh this might not be possible. Depending on your charging speed, you might not be able to fully recharge in one night.
- adrianN 6y ago
  You only need 200kWh if you empty your battery every day. Few people drive 300 miles every day. A normal power plug can provide 3.6kW or so, so around 40kWh in a night. That's probably already enough for most drivers. I assume people who can afford this car can also afford a 48A circuit for charging.
  - Hypx 6y ago
    For a vehicle of this size, that might be only 60 miles or so. It's possible to drive normally and still find yourself short on charge every night. A 48A circuit is probably required for acceptable charging times. Plus it would be legitimately expensive, since you're blowing through 40 kWh every day. Compared to a gasoline car that's normally sized, this might be more expensive to drive.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      A Hummer H2 got less range with an 32 gallon tank. At standard LA prices of $3.50 (right now), that was $112 every time the tank was refilled. A normal sedan like a 2020 Camry has a 14 gallon tank, which would cost approximately $49 to refill. How much you pay for electricity depends on where you live, so it's very possible that a Hummer EV would cost less than an ICE sedan on a refueling cost basis.
      - Hypx 6y ago
        A normal sedan would get around 35 mpg. If you pay more than $0.15/kWh, a Hummer EV would be the more expensive vehicle to drive. This figure gets worse if you compare it to a hybrid sedan that can reach 50 mpg.
        6y ago

turtlebits 6y ago

This isn't surprising, considering the fuel economy of an a regular Hummer compared to an ICE car. I'm actually glad a luxury priced vehicle finally has a decent range, considering the I-pace, E-tron, EQC, taycan have equivalent range to the much cheaper Tesla model 3 and Chevy Bolt. (~220-240mi)

xyst 6y ago

If this is the case and the source of energy is unclean, then how does it compare to its ICE counterpart in terms of CO2 output? I will need to lookup the source, but electricity generated by fossil fuel sources are to a certain degree dirtier than just using the fossil fuel source directly in the vehicle.