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MiniDisc players were beautiful gadgets. I had one of the lower-end models but it was still a delight to use.

mikepurvis 6y ago
As a younger person who missed out, I recently enjoyed this mini-documentary— especially the surprisingly lengthy history of the many devices for a supposedly "failed" format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3BceoMuaA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3BceoMuaA
- solstice 6y ago
  Great video that triggered some memories. Thank you for linking
- giantrobot 6y ago
  MiniDiscs were technologically interesting but everything about them was a pain in the ass. In the US they were also stupid expensive in just about every aspect. Console MD player/recorders were ridiculously expensive in the US. Portable players were expensive but not nearly as bad as the mains powered console ones. This meant most people just went for CD players. Because they didn't sell well here music labels didn't release many (any?) MD albums in the US. That meant you were buying new albums from the "import" section of the store (if you had a record store that sold imports) for full integer multiples of CD album prices. Unless you were stupid rich then you bought blank MDs and recorded your own music on them. That didn't mean dropping tracks onto a playlist and pressing the "Burn" button. You had to plug your MD deck into an audio source, hit record, and then play the track/disc back in real-time. If you just did a whole CD at once it would record as one long track but you could go back and mark start and end points to break it into actual song tracks. So you either spent tons of money buying commercial MD albums or bought blank discs to make your own. Making your own discs meant every album you listened to required the cost of the blank disc and at least an hour of your time to record it. Or you could just save yourself tons of money and effort and listen to CDs. Source: a friend of mine was obsessed with MiniDiscs and I thought they were cool until I spent an afternoon recording two discs. I realized my DiscMan was a way better deal.
  - mikepurvis 6y ago
    Per the Wikipedia article [1], it seems like in the 2001 timeframe there were "NetMD" devices which could receive digital audio directly from a computer at much faster than realtime; I imagine this was a direct response to the iPod and other MP3 players, and was probably too little, too late. Particularly when it sounds like the process was bogged down by making you use proprietary, copyright-aware software. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc
    - giantrobot 6y ago
      The NetMD players were way too little and way too late. While a NetMD player could load music via USB onto a disc the software on the PC was terrible and the process wasn't much better than recording from the line-in. If you were loading music from MP3 or WMA the software was transcoding those formats to ATRAC, NetMD players didn't natively support either format. So you went from one lossy compression to another. If your MP3s were already at the minimum threshold of quality because they came out of a shitty encoder they were just going to get worse in ATRAC. If you were loading WAVs into SonicStage your quality would be way better but you first had to rip your CD to disk and then load it in to SonicStage. So you had no time savings over ripping to MP3. ATRAC also had a bunch of DRM so it limited how many discs your could load a track on. Not an automatic problem but putting a song on more than a couple discs wouldn't work. Keep in mind that by the time NetMD players were out CD-R drive's were cheap and pretty common. A lot of CD players had also started supporting native MP3 playback and dedicated MP3 players were readily available. The extremely inconvenient NetMD experience was up against cheap CD-Rs, much more convenient MP3 players (including the iPod), and in general a better MP3 experience. The whole MiniDisc ecosystem was just inconvenient unless you had spent a lot of money to live in some sort of end-to-end MiniDisc world.
    - samatman 6y ago
      I had a NetMD from Sony, and I absolutely loved the thing. I still have a couple disks I made, with no way to play them back. My apartment was burgled in 2003, and the insurance payout covered an iPod to replace the stolen minidisk player. Night and day, no comparison, that iPod was the coolest thing I owned at the time, and stayed that way for many years. It's in storage right now, but the last time I plugged it in, a couple years ago, it still worked. The battery is toast, though.
inasio 6y ago
Coincidentally I found my old minidisc player just last week while sorting my box of old gadgets. I brought it to the car since I have a bunch of mix discs that turned out to have aged well. Mine runs off of a single AA battery, and after at least 10-15 years with no use it still had a charge. The Sony UI certainly was no Ipod...
analog31 6y ago
I still have my MD recorder. A few weeks after I discovered that I could make perfect digital recordings, I sold my mint condition Studer-ReVox B77 MkII reel-to-reel tape recorder to a friend, and never looked back. The B77 was a lovely thing, but a pain in the ass to haul around, and the tapes were exorbitant. I now have a little Tascam pocket digital recorder that I love.

As a younger person who missed out, I recently enjoyed this mini-documentary— especially the surprisingly lengthy history of the many devices for a supposedly "failed" format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3BceoMuaA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3BceoMuaA

solstice 6y ago
Great video that triggered some memories. Thank you for linking
giantrobot 6y ago
MiniDiscs were technologically interesting but everything about them was a pain in the ass. In the US they were also stupid expensive in just about every aspect. Console MD player/recorders were ridiculously expensive in the US. Portable players were expensive but not nearly as bad as the mains powered console ones. This meant most people just went for CD players. Because they didn't sell well here music labels didn't release many (any?) MD albums in the US. That meant you were buying new albums from the "import" section of the store (if you had a record store that sold imports) for full integer multiples of CD album prices. Unless you were stupid rich then you bought blank MDs and recorded your own music on them. That didn't mean dropping tracks onto a playlist and pressing the "Burn" button. You had to plug your MD deck into an audio source, hit record, and then play the track/disc back in real-time. If you just did a whole CD at once it would record as one long track but you could go back and mark start and end points to break it into actual song tracks. So you either spent tons of money buying commercial MD albums or bought blank discs to make your own. Making your own discs meant every album you listened to required the cost of the blank disc and at least an hour of your time to record it. Or you could just save yourself tons of money and effort and listen to CDs. Source: a friend of mine was obsessed with MiniDiscs and I thought they were cool until I spent an afternoon recording two discs. I realized my DiscMan was a way better deal.
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  Per the Wikipedia article [1], it seems like in the 2001 timeframe there were "NetMD" devices which could receive digital audio directly from a computer at much faster than realtime; I imagine this was a direct response to the iPod and other MP3 players, and was probably too little, too late. Particularly when it sounds like the process was bogged down by making you use proprietary, copyright-aware software. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc
  - giantrobot 6y ago
    The NetMD players were way too little and way too late. While a NetMD player could load music via USB onto a disc the software on the PC was terrible and the process wasn't much better than recording from the line-in. If you were loading music from MP3 or WMA the software was transcoding those formats to ATRAC, NetMD players didn't natively support either format. So you went from one lossy compression to another. If your MP3s were already at the minimum threshold of quality because they came out of a shitty encoder they were just going to get worse in ATRAC. If you were loading WAVs into SonicStage your quality would be way better but you first had to rip your CD to disk and then load it in to SonicStage. So you had no time savings over ripping to MP3. ATRAC also had a bunch of DRM so it limited how many discs your could load a track on. Not an automatic problem but putting a song on more than a couple discs wouldn't work. Keep in mind that by the time NetMD players were out CD-R drive's were cheap and pretty common. A lot of CD players had also started supporting native MP3 playback and dedicated MP3 players were readily available. The extremely inconvenient NetMD experience was up against cheap CD-Rs, much more convenient MP3 players (including the iPod), and in general a better MP3 experience. The whole MiniDisc ecosystem was just inconvenient unless you had spent a lot of money to live in some sort of end-to-end MiniDisc world.
  - samatman 6y ago
    I had a NetMD from Sony, and I absolutely loved the thing. I still have a couple disks I made, with no way to play them back. My apartment was burgled in 2003, and the insurance payout covered an iPod to replace the stolen minidisk player. Night and day, no comparison, that iPod was the coolest thing I owned at the time, and stayed that way for many years. It's in storage right now, but the last time I plugged it in, a couple years ago, it still worked. The battery is toast, though.

inasio 6y ago

Coincidentally I found my old minidisc player just last week while sorting my box of old gadgets. I brought it to the car since I have a bunch of mix discs that turned out to have aged well. Mine runs off of a single AA battery, and after at least 10-15 years with no use it still had a charge. The Sony UI certainly was no Ipod...

analog31 6y ago

I still have my MD recorder. A few weeks after I discovered that I could make perfect digital recordings, I sold my mint condition Studer-ReVox B77 MkII reel-to-reel tape recorder to a friend, and never looked back. The B77 was a lovely thing, but a pain in the ass to haul around, and the tapes were exorbitant. I now have a little Tascam pocket digital recorder that I love.