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Why is this getting downvoted? He's right. Refute his points instead of downvoting him.

jraph 6y ago
> Why is this getting downvoted? He's right. Refute his points instead of downvoting him. >> I think the only reason people enjoy it is the fact that they have not gotten a chance to really spend time in a good tiling window manager on X11/GNU/Linux I don't like Windows, but its UI is not that bad, come on. Moreover, I use GNU/Linux full time but I don't use a tiling manager. My windows are fullscreen most of the time, and the rest of the time the features that allow putting windows on the corners or the sides (with the keyboard or the mouse) are more than enough. Tiling window managers are not for everyone. I didn't downvote but to me the message shows a lack of observation on how people use computers. The update manager that popups a notification or a dialog box or reboots in the middle of a presentation or a movie or something and, to add insult to injury, the system taking its time to apply the updates during the next startup? that could be embarrassing. Convenient UX features from the Linux world lacking on Windows are a thing (selection / middle click paste?), but Windows UI seems excellent. It's just less excellent than Plasma obviously, but it's nothing short of bad or embarrasing.
- 2ion 6y ago
  > I don't like Windows, but its UI is not that bad, come on. I don't know. I am very OK with Win7 but I tried installing Win10 the other week on a VM in the intent to let it superseed my Linux on the desktop. The 125% scaling of UI made fonts blurry on my monitor and text inconsistently sized. The "dark" theme lets core apps like Explorer flicker in white then turn dark, like slow Android apps. There are mini ad programs in the start menu. I don't even know where you're supposed to configure settings anymore without search; the control panel vs fancy settings apps vs msc snapins (which are the only parts that still work reliably)? Their UI is worse than KDE or GNOME now. I had 3rd party applications working perfectly fine which I guess is the point but Windows10 UI is no marvel. This is a problem because Win7 used to just work, discretely. What's left is for me to experiment with group policy settings and suchlike (at least my edition permits it) in the hopes of getting my issues fixed. Probably have to throw in a ton of third-party "Windows 10 fix" powershell libraries to clean things up. I got the Win10 Enterprise license through my company. I would never pay money for this OS, privately.
  - shawnz 6y ago
    So to catalogue, your two issues are... - DPI scaling turned on by default on high dpi displays even though compatibility isn't perfect. Well, GTK DPI scaling certainly isn't perfect either to say the least. - Not sure where the settings are: Click "start" and click "settings". Forget about the legacy control panel as that is only there for compatibility with old software and for changing the settings of deprecated features used by old software. Forget about MMC unless you have been directed to use it by the documentation, like for example if you are administering Windows Server machines. And I'm sure it goes without saying that Linux systems are certainly no better when it comes to the diversity of methods for adjusting settings. And these issues are so offensive that while you thought Win 7 was an "OK" OS, you "would never pay money for" Win 10?
    - Gracana 6y ago
      I find that it's hard to successfully misrepresent what someone said when the original is right there for everyone to see.
      - shawnz 6y ago
        What am I missing? The fact that it "used to just work" and now it's "worse than all the competitors" for no objective reason?
AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
Poster is taking their own experience in regards to their own use cases as The One True Way. The reality is that there are a whole lot of things Windows does better and a lot of people prioritize those things over whatever advantages Linux offers.
magicalhippo 6y ago
Because it would be like me saying that Linux desktop is completely useless because it doesn't have a decent remote desktop solution. It's true, but just because that makes the Linux desktop dead to me might not make the Linux desktop useless to you. I did note that the WSL2 push might finally mean Linux gets proper RDP support, thanks to Microsoft. The irony is not lost on me.

> Why is this getting downvoted? He's right. Refute his points instead of downvoting him. >> I think the only reason people enjoy it is the fact that they have not gotten a chance to really spend time in a good tiling window manager on X11/GNU/Linux I don't like Windows, but its UI is not that bad, come on. Moreover, I use GNU/Linux full time but I don't use a tiling manager. My windows are fullscreen most of the time, and the rest of the time the features that allow putting windows on the corners or the sides (with the keyboard or the mouse) are more than enough. Tiling window managers are not for everyone. I didn't downvote but to me the message shows a lack of observation on how people use computers. The update manager that popups a notification or a dialog box or reboots in the middle of a presentation or a movie or something and, to add insult to injury, the system taking its time to apply the updates during the next startup? that could be embarrassing. Convenient UX features from the Linux world lacking on Windows are a thing (selection / middle click paste?), but Windows UI seems excellent. It's just less excellent than Plasma obviously, but it's nothing short of bad or embarrasing.

2ion 6y ago
> I don't like Windows, but its UI is not that bad, come on. I don't know. I am very OK with Win7 but I tried installing Win10 the other week on a VM in the intent to let it superseed my Linux on the desktop. The 125% scaling of UI made fonts blurry on my monitor and text inconsistently sized. The "dark" theme lets core apps like Explorer flicker in white then turn dark, like slow Android apps. There are mini ad programs in the start menu. I don't even know where you're supposed to configure settings anymore without search; the control panel vs fancy settings apps vs msc snapins (which are the only parts that still work reliably)? Their UI is worse than KDE or GNOME now. I had 3rd party applications working perfectly fine which I guess is the point but Windows10 UI is no marvel. This is a problem because Win7 used to just work, discretely. What's left is for me to experiment with group policy settings and suchlike (at least my edition permits it) in the hopes of getting my issues fixed. Probably have to throw in a ton of third-party "Windows 10 fix" powershell libraries to clean things up. I got the Win10 Enterprise license through my company. I would never pay money for this OS, privately.
- shawnz 6y ago
  So to catalogue, your two issues are... - DPI scaling turned on by default on high dpi displays even though compatibility isn't perfect. Well, GTK DPI scaling certainly isn't perfect either to say the least. - Not sure where the settings are: Click "start" and click "settings". Forget about the legacy control panel as that is only there for compatibility with old software and for changing the settings of deprecated features used by old software. Forget about MMC unless you have been directed to use it by the documentation, like for example if you are administering Windows Server machines. And I'm sure it goes without saying that Linux systems are certainly no better when it comes to the diversity of methods for adjusting settings. And these issues are so offensive that while you thought Win 7 was an "OK" OS, you "would never pay money for" Win 10?
  - Gracana 6y ago
    I find that it's hard to successfully misrepresent what someone said when the original is right there for everyone to see.
    - shawnz 6y ago
      What am I missing? The fact that it "used to just work" and now it's "worse than all the competitors" for no objective reason?

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

Poster is taking their own experience in regards to their own use cases as The One True Way. The reality is that there are a whole lot of things Windows does better and a lot of people prioritize those things over whatever advantages Linux offers.

magicalhippo 6y ago

Because it would be like me saying that Linux desktop is completely useless because it doesn't have a decent remote desktop solution. It's true, but just because that makes the Linux desktop dead to me might not make the Linux desktop useless to you. I did note that the WSL2 push might finally mean Linux gets proper RDP support, thanks to Microsoft. The irony is not lost on me.