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It would be worse to do it quick, fuck up and make Google even stronger via regulatory capture or something similar. And going in second time around would be e

It would be worse to do it quick, fuck up and make Google even stronger via regulatory capture or something similar. And going in second time around would be even more difficult

Mindwipe 6y ago
Yes, but a big part of the problem is a lack of agreement about what regulators are actually trying to achieve, and there being a lose coalition of political forces on tech regulation who actually have mutually contradictory goals and just agree on the mechanism. That is likely to cause significant issues in this process. For example, there is absolutely a political element that seeks to attack the market power of large technology companies because they want to force more control on public speech, and some who want to attack the power in order to explicitly prevent that.
- tannhaeuser 6y ago
  In EU, telcos (and energy, etc.) are regulated. I don't see a reason why IT services shouldn't, given that the market is in a dead-end situation. Regulation can cover professional IT services (VMs/pods) as well as social (portability of social accounts, similar to mobile number portability), in addition to DNS, mail-, and web-spaces which are already de-facto regulated. Goal, among other things, is to break verticals, platforms, network effects, similar to net neutrality principles.
  - frockington1 6y ago
    You will never be able to convince the American public that the government should control their email, web, social acconts etc. And unfortunately all of these companies are US based and can out fund the EUs lawyers
    - tannhaeuser 6y ago
      Maybe I've misunderstood, but regulation doesn't mean gov "controls" email or other accounts. Just means these services must be offered unbundled and non-subsidied (eg without gmail scanning your mails for ad targetting), and be portable among providers, etc.
      - Nasrudith 6y ago
        Can you trust them to not put in unconstitutional bullshit requirements? Forget demanding 24-7 access to them they would probably have fundies putting in filters on "immoral" content knowing it would get struck down by the "godless courts". I don't want tech regulation because I don't want to be ruled over by complete fucking idiots on subjects they don't understand.

It would be worse to do it quick, fuck up and make Google even stronger via regulatory capture or something similar. And going in second time around would be even more difficult

Mindwipe 6y ago

Yes, but a big part of the problem is a lack of agreement about what regulators are actually trying to achieve, and there being a lose coalition of political forces on tech regulation who actually have mutually contradictory goals and just agree on the mechanism. That is likely to cause significant issues in this process. For example, there is absolutely a political element that seeks to attack the market power of large technology companies because they want to force more control on public speech, and some who want to attack the power in order to explicitly prevent that.

tannhaeuser 6y ago
In EU, telcos (and energy, etc.) are regulated. I don't see a reason why IT services shouldn't, given that the market is in a dead-end situation. Regulation can cover professional IT services (VMs/pods) as well as social (portability of social accounts, similar to mobile number portability), in addition to DNS, mail-, and web-spaces which are already de-facto regulated. Goal, among other things, is to break verticals, platforms, network effects, similar to net neutrality principles.
- frockington1 6y ago
  You will never be able to convince the American public that the government should control their email, web, social acconts etc. And unfortunately all of these companies are US based and can out fund the EUs lawyers
  - tannhaeuser 6y ago
    Maybe I've misunderstood, but regulation doesn't mean gov "controls" email or other accounts. Just means these services must be offered unbundled and non-subsidied (eg without gmail scanning your mails for ad targetting), and be portable among providers, etc.
    - Nasrudith 6y ago
      Can you trust them to not put in unconstitutional bullshit requirements? Forget demanding 24-7 access to them they would probably have fundies putting in filters on "immoral" content knowing it would get struck down by the "godless courts". I don't want tech regulation because I don't want to be ruled over by complete fucking idiots on subjects they don't understand.