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Tesla to wide-release Full Self-Driving 'by the end of this year'

16 points by hirundo 6y ago

lefrenchy 6y ago
Elon had made a similar promise while I was still working there (2017). I’ll believe it when i see it
- purplecats 6y ago
  How do people make very public statements that have no repercussions when they become lies? I'd love to learn.
  - lefrenchy 6y ago
    Step 1: Be a rich CEO Step 2: see step 1
- valine 6y ago
  People have been slowly getting access to the FSD beta last night and this morning. You can see it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/jftx5l/all_fsd_footage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/jftx5l/all_fsd...
  - RivieraKid 6y ago
    But that's still an L2 system, except that it's more capable. We can only guess whether this is 1 year or 20 years away from L3 or L4.
    - valine 6y ago
      The Tesla self driving beta is between L3 and L4. I don’t know if it can pull over or not, but every other box is checked for L4.
    - valine 6y ago
      I mean who cares if it requires a hand on the wheel at this point? The important thing is that Tesla is making progress toward L4, and with this update they are closer than ever.
Razele 6y ago
rOBoTAxI sERviCe
lolc 6y ago
Just for context what "Full Self-Driving" means: > Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous. https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot Basically it's a student driver. And you're the instructor.
- canada_dry 6y ago
  So - at best - "Level 3"... not full automation (lvl 5) per the feds [i]. [i] https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicles-safety https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicl...
  - lolc 6y ago
    It's funny how the article calls this a step towards robotaxis next year.
- theluketaylor 6y ago
  I finally got a chance to drive with autopilot for an extended period and student driver is an excellent description. It made some very poor driving choices, notably hanging out the blind spots of other drivers when there was tons of room to avoid that. It did a fine job of keeping he car in the lane, but it did not practice active defensive driving.
  - lolc 6y ago
    Well Tesla didn't say they selected for defensive drivers to train their software on. So maybe the software actually imitates poor choices seen in the training set.
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justinclift 6y ago
As a motorbike rider, having Tesla's with "Full Self Driving" capability becoming common scares me. Standard (human) car drivers are bad enough. Adding drivers that are less capable... ugh. :( :( :( Hopefully the roll out turns out ok and I'm worrying unnecessarily. :)
- booi 6y ago
  afaik by the numbers you should actually be more scared of human drivers...
  - justinclift 6y ago
    As I said, human drivers are already bad enough. ;) My concern is adding something that may not even reliably recognise motorcycles. For example, when a bike is leaning over in a turn, it looks substantially different to when it's 100% upright. And that's just one of the more common things to spring to mind.
    - mlindner 6y ago
      Where are you driving where you get a substantial lean that's not a racetrack? I've not ever personally seen a motorbike that's at all leaned over. Tesla already has recognized motorcycles for quite some time.
      - justinclift 6y ago
        Literally any winding road in the mountains, of which we have quite a few around here. :) Just to point out, (when above walking speed) motorcycles turn by leaning over. It's probably more that you've not noticed it. :)
- canada_dry 6y ago
  Many cyclists are their own-worst-enemies (excess speed, weaving in/out traffic) and I suspect it will be a very, very long time before AI is going to be able handle them.
JoshGlazebrook 6y ago
Here is a tesla making a left turn at a traffic light - https://twitter.com/teslaownerssv/status/1319142259086913536?s=21 https://twitter.com/teslaownerssv/status/1319142259086913536...
tibbydudeza 6y ago
Level 5 ???.

16 points by hirundo 6y ago

lefrenchy 6y ago

Elon had made a similar promise while I was still working there (2017). I’ll believe it when i see it

purplecats 6y ago
How do people make very public statements that have no repercussions when they become lies? I'd love to learn.
- lefrenchy 6y ago
  Step 1: Be a rich CEO Step 2: see step 1
valine 6y ago
People have been slowly getting access to the FSD beta last night and this morning. You can see it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/jftx5l/all_fsd_footage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/jftx5l/all_fsd...
- RivieraKid 6y ago
  But that's still an L2 system, except that it's more capable. We can only guess whether this is 1 year or 20 years away from L3 or L4.
  - valine 6y ago
    The Tesla self driving beta is between L3 and L4. I don’t know if it can pull over or not, but every other box is checked for L4.
  - valine 6y ago
    I mean who cares if it requires a hand on the wheel at this point? The important thing is that Tesla is making progress toward L4, and with this update they are closer than ever.

Razele 6y ago

rOBoTAxI sERviCe

lolc 6y ago

Just for context what "Full Self-Driving" means: > Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous. https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot Basically it's a student driver. And you're the instructor.

canada_dry 6y ago
So - at best - "Level 3"... not full automation (lvl 5) per the feds [i]. [i] https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicles-safety https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicl...
- lolc 6y ago
  It's funny how the article calls this a step towards robotaxis next year.
theluketaylor 6y ago
I finally got a chance to drive with autopilot for an extended period and student driver is an excellent description. It made some very poor driving choices, notably hanging out the blind spots of other drivers when there was tons of room to avoid that. It did a fine job of keeping he car in the lane, but it did not practice active defensive driving.
- lolc 6y ago
  Well Tesla didn't say they selected for defensive drivers to train their software on. So maybe the software actually imitates poor choices seen in the training set.

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justinclift 6y ago

As a motorbike rider, having Tesla's with "Full Self Driving" capability becoming common scares me. Standard (human) car drivers are bad enough. Adding drivers that are less capable... ugh. :( :( :( Hopefully the roll out turns out ok and I'm worrying unnecessarily. :)

booi 6y ago
afaik by the numbers you should actually be more scared of human drivers...
- justinclift 6y ago
  As I said, human drivers are already bad enough. ;) My concern is adding something that may not even reliably recognise motorcycles. For example, when a bike is leaning over in a turn, it looks substantially different to when it's 100% upright. And that's just one of the more common things to spring to mind.
  - mlindner 6y ago
    Where are you driving where you get a substantial lean that's not a racetrack? I've not ever personally seen a motorbike that's at all leaned over. Tesla already has recognized motorcycles for quite some time.
    - justinclift 6y ago
      Literally any winding road in the mountains, of which we have quite a few around here. :) Just to point out, (when above walking speed) motorcycles turn by leaning over. It's probably more that you've not noticed it. :)
canada_dry 6y ago
Many cyclists are their own-worst-enemies (excess speed, weaving in/out traffic) and I suspect it will be a very, very long time before AI is going to be able handle them.

JoshGlazebrook 6y ago

Here is a tesla making a left turn at a traffic light - https://twitter.com/teslaownerssv/status/1319142259086913536?s=21 https://twitter.com/teslaownerssv/status/1319142259086913536...

tibbydudeza 6y ago

Level 5 ???.