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> Although notifications on the web are useful for a variety of applications The notification nag modal has been a scourge since it was introduced. They admit

> Although notifications on the web are useful for a variety of applications The notification nag modal has been a scourge since it was introduced. They admit as much here: > Abusive notification prompts are one of the top user complaints we receive about Chrome. These always should have been opt in or user-initiated only, never should have been allowable as a modal prompt when landing on a page.

hombre_fatal 6y ago
This seems like an obvious fix. Mobile browsers already have solutions where prompts/sounds/playback can only be initiated inside a click/interaction handler. I don't see why it can't be the same here.
- notriddle 6y ago
  Desktop browsers have it, too, at least for opening popup windows and unmuting audio. Site owners work around it by coaxing the user into clicking a button that opens the prompt, with a label that says it does something else. The popup window situation has gotten so bad that even websites that legitimately want popups have stopped using them, because it's such a PITA to get them to reliably open.
  - willcipriano 6y ago
    I played around with this previously. For playing audio the "button" can be a invisible div that takes up the entire page and interacting with it can be not only clicking but simply moving the mouse over the div.
temp667 6y ago
Absolutely - I auto deny reflexively, and probably miss out on notifcations I want. It's weird - cookie popups (I can browse incognito or clear cookies or use an extension to control my own cookies) and the notification popup I found similarly annoying. Just let me browse and control my browsing on my own terms. In the website text it can ask that I go into a notifications whitelist panel and add a url that can send notifications, or click on an element that triggers the pop-up etc. Similarly, we keep on hearing these headlines about someone not having the right cookie popups or enough of them etc. I wish those would go away as well. The place to control cookies is with the user. I'm not sure disabling cookies even hides my activities from a site (obviously it doesn't).
- EamonnMR 6y ago
  Yeah cookies are a red herring and I'm disappointed that the result of GRPD has been to add a nag modal to ask for cookie permission - correct behavior should be for the browser to be configured to auto-accept or auto-reject cookies based on user preference. Having each site ask for permission is just as annoying as advertising popups where in the 00s.

hombre_fatal 6y ago

This seems like an obvious fix. Mobile browsers already have solutions where prompts/sounds/playback can only be initiated inside a click/interaction handler. I don't see why it can't be the same here.

notriddle 6y ago
Desktop browsers have it, too, at least for opening popup windows and unmuting audio. Site owners work around it by coaxing the user into clicking a button that opens the prompt, with a label that says it does something else. The popup window situation has gotten so bad that even websites that legitimately want popups have stopped using them, because it's such a PITA to get them to reliably open.
- willcipriano 6y ago
  I played around with this previously. For playing audio the "button" can be a invisible div that takes up the entire page and interacting with it can be not only clicking but simply moving the mouse over the div.

temp667 6y ago

Absolutely - I auto deny reflexively, and probably miss out on notifcations I want. It's weird - cookie popups (I can browse incognito or clear cookies or use an extension to control my own cookies) and the notification popup I found similarly annoying. Just let me browse and control my browsing on my own terms. In the website text it can ask that I go into a notifications whitelist panel and add a url that can send notifications, or click on an element that triggers the pop-up etc. Similarly, we keep on hearing these headlines about someone not having the right cookie popups or enough of them etc. I wish those would go away as well. The place to control cookies is with the user. I'm not sure disabling cookies even hides my activities from a site (obviously it doesn't).

EamonnMR 6y ago
Yeah cookies are a red herring and I'm disappointed that the result of GRPD has been to add a nag modal to ask for cookie permission - correct behavior should be for the browser to be configured to auto-accept or auto-reject cookies based on user preference. Having each site ask for permission is just as annoying as advertising popups where in the 00s.