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During said stops, do you regularly carry weapons on your person and/or disregard the officers orders repeatedly? If not, then your speeding ticket encounter w

During said stops, do you regularly carry weapons on your person and/or disregard the officers orders repeatedly? If not, then your speeding ticket encounter will probably just end in 'have a nice day'. There are obvious notable exceptions, but for the thousands of these interactions that occur every day, it is more likely the officer will die, than you [1]. 1 - https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/leo/default.html#:~:text=In%20the%20last%2010%20years,cause%20of%20death%20for%20officers https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/leo/default.html#:~:text=In....

breather 6y ago
What is this victim-blaming?
- Spivak 6y ago
  Yeah, this stance is insane. You literally have a constitutional right to carry a gun. If that's grounds for lethal force at a traffic stop then I don't think we really have that right. And obey police officers absolutely or die is the stupidest possible escalation. If you don't listen to an officer the result should be a citation or an arrest.
  - dfsegoat 6y ago
    You actually do not have a right to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, here in CA. People are also missing the point: cops are not well trained, they panic just like everyone does. Hence my position it’s best to avoid interactions with them which involve firearms, legal or otherwise.
gruez 6y ago
> but for the thousands of these interactions that occur every day, it is more likely the officer will die, than you [1]. >> In the last 10 years, on average, an officer per week has been killed on our nation’s roads (2010-2019 = 53 deaths per year).1 The claim you made isn't directly supported by the citation. The cited article includes all police deaths on the road, not just ones arising from traffic stops.
- jacobolus 6y ago
  I would expect the risk to the officer of getting hit by a passing car to be much greater than the risk of being attacked by a pulled-over driver.
klyrs 6y ago
Do I not have a constitutional right to carry a firearm? Does the existence of a firearm justify summary execution as a penalty for a traffic violation? Edit: and more to the point... wouldn't reducing the frequency of these interactions also improve the safety and wellbeing of police officers?
- Google234 6y ago
  You have to accept that carrying a deadly weapon increases the risk though. If you get angry in the situation , you are more likely to get shot if you pull out a gun than if you raise your fists.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    GP only said "carry a gun on your person" not "pull out a gun". The former is constitutionally protected, the latter can be a crime - there's a big difference.
    - Google234 6y ago
      If you have a gun then you will more likely be pull on out then if you don’t. A cop has to be more careful when operating around someone that can kill them in 2 seconds.
      - cgriswald 6y ago
        Anyone can kill them in two seconds. A cop that thinks otherwise is the one who is most likely to be killed in those two seconds. I’d really like to see any story about a cop killed by someone legally carrying a weapon after they’ve announced they have such a weapon.
        Google234 6y ago
        2 seconds... yeah, I think you’ve been relying too much on call of duty
dec0dedab0de 6y ago
The post you're replying to is from the standpoint that the driver may have a warrant that they don't know about. Which I'm still sure ends up being handled peacefully most of the time, but its not going to be a fun night.
tuxxy 6y ago
Cops are in less danger than sanitation workers. Get this state-violence apologia out of here.
- deleted 6y ago
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- chrisco255 6y ago
  This is not true. And even if you average the safest cities in America with the most dangerous ones, they are still in the top 15 most deadly jobs. They're also highly prone to suffer injury, PTSD, and mental trauma from what they see on the job.
watwut 6y ago
Most of cops deaths are from traffic accidents. They are on roads a lot, so they get into accidents quite regularly.
mindslight 6y ago
Being murdered by a police officer is improbable - it's not something that happens at most traffic stops. This is essentially tautological, otherwise things would change overnight. But that doesn't justify excusing the instances when it does happen. The entire point of having a justice system is to discourage criminal behavior, and provide a sense of fairness so that feuds do not escalate. When we see a violent criminal murder someone on camera but then not even get charged because they happen to be wearing a uniform, it's clear that system is in need of fixing. If you truly support law and order, then making sure that law is applied evenly should be your priority.

breather 6y ago

What is this victim-blaming?

Spivak 6y ago
Yeah, this stance is insane. You literally have a constitutional right to carry a gun. If that's grounds for lethal force at a traffic stop then I don't think we really have that right. And obey police officers absolutely or die is the stupidest possible escalation. If you don't listen to an officer the result should be a citation or an arrest.
- dfsegoat 6y ago
  You actually do not have a right to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, here in CA. People are also missing the point: cops are not well trained, they panic just like everyone does. Hence my position it’s best to avoid interactions with them which involve firearms, legal or otherwise.

gruez 6y ago

> but for the thousands of these interactions that occur every day, it is more likely the officer will die, than you [1]. >> In the last 10 years, on average, an officer per week has been killed on our nation’s roads (2010-2019 = 53 deaths per year).1 The claim you made isn't directly supported by the citation. The cited article includes all police deaths on the road, not just ones arising from traffic stops.

jacobolus 6y ago
I would expect the risk to the officer of getting hit by a passing car to be much greater than the risk of being attacked by a pulled-over driver.

klyrs 6y ago

Do I not have a constitutional right to carry a firearm? Does the existence of a firearm justify summary execution as a penalty for a traffic violation? Edit: and more to the point... wouldn't reducing the frequency of these interactions also improve the safety and wellbeing of police officers?

Google234 6y ago
You have to accept that carrying a deadly weapon increases the risk though. If you get angry in the situation , you are more likely to get shot if you pull out a gun than if you raise your fists.
- triceratops 6y ago
  GP only said "carry a gun on your person" not "pull out a gun". The former is constitutionally protected, the latter can be a crime - there's a big difference.
  - Google234 6y ago
    If you have a gun then you will more likely be pull on out then if you don’t. A cop has to be more careful when operating around someone that can kill them in 2 seconds.
    - cgriswald 6y ago
      Anyone can kill them in two seconds. A cop that thinks otherwise is the one who is most likely to be killed in those two seconds. I’d really like to see any story about a cop killed by someone legally carrying a weapon after they’ve announced they have such a weapon.
      - Google234 6y ago
        2 seconds... yeah, I think you’ve been relying too much on call of duty

dec0dedab0de 6y ago

The post you're replying to is from the standpoint that the driver may have a warrant that they don't know about. Which I'm still sure ends up being handled peacefully most of the time, but its not going to be a fun night.

tuxxy 6y ago

Cops are in less danger than sanitation workers. Get this state-violence apologia out of here.

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chrisco255 6y ago
This is not true. And even if you average the safest cities in America with the most dangerous ones, they are still in the top 15 most deadly jobs. They're also highly prone to suffer injury, PTSD, and mental trauma from what they see on the job.

watwut 6y ago

Most of cops deaths are from traffic accidents. They are on roads a lot, so they get into accidents quite regularly.

mindslight 6y ago

Being murdered by a police officer is improbable - it's not something that happens at most traffic stops. This is essentially tautological, otherwise things would change overnight. But that doesn't justify excusing the instances when it does happen. The entire point of having a justice system is to discourage criminal behavior, and provide a sense of fairness so that feuds do not escalate. When we see a violent criminal murder someone on camera but then not even get charged because they happen to be wearing a uniform, it's clear that system is in need of fixing. If you truly support law and order, then making sure that law is applied evenly should be your priority.