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>Almost everyone who gets called to court has been legitimately ticketed or cited for doing something you have some evidence to support this? It is oddly autho

• SamReidHughes 6y ago
  It is plainly true, and if you have any dispute about this, you really need to get off the computer, go outside, and get a grounding in reality.
  • alexilliamson 6y ago
    If it's plainly true it shouldn't be hard to produce a citation.
    • SamReidHughes 6y ago
      Go outside. I can assure you you'll be able to learn about reality without needing any citations.
      • mftrhu 6y ago
        Ah, yes. An accelerated It Stands To Reason 101 course from the School Of Hard Knocks.
      • dTal 6y ago
        If your source is your own personal experience, you should show a little more humility about that fact, instead of attributing ignorance to anyone who disagrees with you.
      • Thorncorona 6y ago
        If everyone is arrested for a valid reason then that implies nobody is arrested for an invalid reason. Good thing The Marshall Project keeps a list of news articles about people being falsely imprisoned :) https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/507-wrongful-imprisonment https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/507-wrongful-impr...
  • AlexandrB 6y ago
    So you're saying that these citations have a 100% conviction rate? If some people are found not guilty, are you saying the citations still "legitimate" somehow? By what standard of evidence?
    • avs733 6y ago
      the suburban fear mongering standard. See also: debates over expanding rapid transit in most large US cities.
  • klyrs 6y ago
    The dispute here is over the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Your insistence that everybody who agrees with this core tenet of justice should "go outside" is doing nothing to support your argument. Besides, we've got smartphones and can continue the conversation out there.
  • avs733 6y ago
    I mean...personally I've been detained a number of times for doing perfectly legal things. I've beaten speeding tickets, I was the victim of an assault where despite video evidence I was given a citation for disorderly conduct. The US has executed innocent people, recently. It isn't even about 'innocent until proven guilty'...the idea that someone on trial must be guilty of something is incredibly common and deeply problematic for our society, not just our system of justice. It presumes that policing is not just always accurate but automatically accurate. It is propaganda used to marginalize certain communities in a very intentional way. That idea is so incorrect that it is disqualifying from participating in this conversation further.
  • lazyasciiart 6y ago
    It is 100% false. I can't produce a citation because I know this from doing data analysis for a private organization with data I don't have rights to, but tracking people given average-to-low bails in Seattle showed that over 50% of them had all charges dismissed if they were bailed out (if not bailed out, about 90% of them just pleaded guilty). One particularly egregious case had video evidence showing that the homeless man charged with assaulting a cop had actually been randomly assaulted by the cop without any interaction in the leadup. 'Going outside' isn't going to teach you anything about the reality of people being routinely arrested for the convenience of others, but listening to other people who are familiar with reality might.