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I'm not so sure that people with pending criminal cases giving police their cell number is such a great idea. It's basically saying 'please track me'.

colinmhayes 6y ago
They already have all your information and are tracking you.
- aaaxyz 6y ago
  I'm sure that's true if you're a high-level criminal, but I doubt they bother doing that for traffic infractions or minor crimes. I've had a ticket for something minor thrown out of court because the constable made a typo on my address when writing the ticket and even after I notified the city of the typo they still sent multiple court notices to the wrong address (which led to me never showing up to court).
  - colinmhayes 6y ago
    NYPD has Clearview. They've got all the data about everyone, including your friends, job, and yes, name + phone number.
    - akiselev 6y ago
      Almost anyone with a law degree can get access to LexisNexis or any number of databases that slurp data from public and private source so people can deliver their court summons, lawsuits, etc. If it hit a big company's database somewhere, it's probably included. Any police department without access to such a data source already is too small or incompetent to put it to use.
    - rootusrootus 6y ago
      Most of that aside from job you can get totally free at places like truepeoplesearch. Creepy but they are pretty thorough.
ceejayoz 6y ago
"Fine, we'll detain you for months until trial." They can have my phone number. They've likely already got it.
saagarjha 6y ago
I’m curious if the police don’t usually ask this of you when you’re getting arrested? If not, it must be trivial to find…
klyrs 6y ago
I'd rather give them my phone number than live in fear that the next time I get pulled over for a speeding ticket will be a lethal encounter.
- dfsegoat 6y ago
  During said stops, do you regularly carry weapons on your person and/or disregard the officers orders repeatedly? If not, then your speeding ticket encounter will probably just end in 'have a nice day'. There are obvious notable exceptions, but for the thousands of these interactions that occur every day, it is more likely the officer will die, than you [1]. 1 - https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/leo/default.html#:~:text=In%20the%20last%2010%20years,cause%20of%20death%20for%20officers https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/leo/default.html#:~:text=In....
  - breather 6y ago
    What is this victim-blaming?
    - Spivak 6y ago
      Yeah, this stance is insane. You literally have a constitutional right to carry a gun. If that's grounds for lethal force at a traffic stop then I don't think we really have that right. And obey police officers absolutely or die is the stupidest possible escalation. If you don't listen to an officer the result should be a citation or an arrest.
      - dfsegoat 6y ago
        You actually do not have a right to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, here in CA. People are also missing the point: cops are not well trained, they panic just like everyone does. Hence my position it’s best to avoid interactions with them which involve firearms, legal or otherwise.
  - gruez 6y ago
    > but for the thousands of these interactions that occur every day, it is more likely the officer will die, than you [1]. >> In the last 10 years, on average, an officer per week has been killed on our nation’s roads (2010-2019 = 53 deaths per year).1 The claim you made isn't directly supported by the citation. The cited article includes all police deaths on the road, not just ones arising from traffic stops.
duxup 6y ago
I'm not sure a phone number is a hard thing to find for the police to find ... or that private a piece of data that you need to hide. If we're worried about tracking that's a whole other topic. Here we're just talking about communication.
a1369209993 6y ago
If having your phone number makes it substansively easier for a attacker to track you, the problem is that your phone is defective (insecure), not that they know your phone number. This is not a effective place to expend security effort on.

colinmhayes 6y ago

They already have all your information and are tracking you.

aaaxyz 6y ago
I'm sure that's true if you're a high-level criminal, but I doubt they bother doing that for traffic infractions or minor crimes. I've had a ticket for something minor thrown out of court because the constable made a typo on my address when writing the ticket and even after I notified the city of the typo they still sent multiple court notices to the wrong address (which led to me never showing up to court).
- colinmhayes 6y ago
  NYPD has Clearview. They've got all the data about everyone, including your friends, job, and yes, name + phone number.
  - akiselev 6y ago
    Almost anyone with a law degree can get access to LexisNexis or any number of databases that slurp data from public and private source so people can deliver their court summons, lawsuits, etc. If it hit a big company's database somewhere, it's probably included. Any police department without access to such a data source already is too small or incompetent to put it to use.
  - rootusrootus 6y ago
    Most of that aside from job you can get totally free at places like truepeoplesearch. Creepy but they are pretty thorough.

ceejayoz 6y ago

"Fine, we'll detain you for months until trial." They can have my phone number. They've likely already got it.

saagarjha 6y ago

I’m curious if the police don’t usually ask this of you when you’re getting arrested? If not, it must be trivial to find…

klyrs 6y ago

I'd rather give them my phone number than live in fear that the next time I get pulled over for a speeding ticket will be a lethal encounter.

dfsegoat 6y ago
During said stops, do you regularly carry weapons on your person and/or disregard the officers orders repeatedly? If not, then your speeding ticket encounter will probably just end in 'have a nice day'. There are obvious notable exceptions, but for the thousands of these interactions that occur every day, it is more likely the officer will die, than you [1]. 1 - https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/leo/default.html#:~:text=In%20the%20last%2010%20years,cause%20of%20death%20for%20officers https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/leo/default.html#:~:text=In....
- breather 6y ago
  What is this victim-blaming?
  - Spivak 6y ago
    Yeah, this stance is insane. You literally have a constitutional right to carry a gun. If that's grounds for lethal force at a traffic stop then I don't think we really have that right. And obey police officers absolutely or die is the stupidest possible escalation. If you don't listen to an officer the result should be a citation or an arrest.
    - dfsegoat 6y ago
      You actually do not have a right to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, here in CA. People are also missing the point: cops are not well trained, they panic just like everyone does. Hence my position it’s best to avoid interactions with them which involve firearms, legal or otherwise.
- gruez 6y ago
  > but for the thousands of these interactions that occur every day, it is more likely the officer will die, than you [1]. >> In the last 10 years, on average, an officer per week has been killed on our nation’s roads (2010-2019 = 53 deaths per year).1 The claim you made isn't directly supported by the citation. The cited article includes all police deaths on the road, not just ones arising from traffic stops.

duxup 6y ago

I'm not sure a phone number is a hard thing to find for the police to find ... or that private a piece of data that you need to hide. If we're worried about tracking that's a whole other topic. Here we're just talking about communication.

a1369209993 6y ago

If having your phone number makes it substansively easier for a attacker to track you, the problem is that your phone is defective (insecure), not that they know your phone number. This is not a effective place to expend security effort on.