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So the remaining question is, has the virus changed (mutated) to be less deadly, or have masks lessened the viral load on initial infection enough to give the i

by mrkstu 6y ago

So the remaining question is, has the virus changed (mutated) to be less deadly, or have masks lessened the viral load on initial infection enough to give the immune system a better chance of fighting it off, or have treatments become that much more effective? Or a combination of the above?

chrisco255 6y ago
We see the same drop in death rate across the board, by state, by country, regardless of policy choices. Regardless of mask wearing. Sweden's daily death count has flatlined at near zero per day for over three months, Florida, Wyoming, Idaho, South Dakota, etc all seeing similar drop in hospitalizations and deaths.
- tzs 6y ago
  You say "death rate" in the first sentence, but then talk of "death count" and "deaths" in the rest. Did you mean "death rate" in the rest too? If you meant "death count" or "deaths", then it is not the cast for South Dakota. Their deaths have gone way up per capita over the last few weeks. There are two big questions most people would like answers too: 1. What are my chances of getting COVID? 2. How screwed am I if I get COVID? There are a couple of different numbers that can be used for the second. First, the death rate among people who have COVID can be given. Second, the deaths per capita due to COVID can be given. If you have the answer to the first, then either form of answer to the second can be computed from the other form of answer. What's going on in South Dakota is that they are doing very badly on the first half (getting COVID). By "badly" I mean that they make the worst in Florida, back when Florida was the epitome of mishandling COVID, look great. So even if the death rate among people who have COVID has gone down a little, the deaths per capita has gone way up. The death rate among people with COVID would have to go down way more to offset the way the number of people who get COVID is increasing in South Dakota.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    Here's the numbers on South Dakota: https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx#SD https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx#SD You can see mortality rate plummeted shortly after the pandemic started and that it has stayed flat or dropped even in the face of the recent rise in cases. While cases have gone up finally in South Dakota, the mortality rate is still less than a 10th of what it was in the beginning. So meanwhile, they were open for 9 months. That is well beyond the incubation period for this virus so what changed to cause the spike? They are still ranked 40th in terms of deaths per million by state. The worst states have been New Jersey and New York, and Massachusetts, by far, who failed to protect their nursing home and assisted living patients early on in pandemic. Florida is completely open right now. Not only is there no mask orders, there are no restrictions on populations or businesses. Deaths per day are down and mortality rate is down: https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/#latest-stats https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/#latest-stats. New cases flat.
alexchantavy 6y ago
I wonder if there are also statistics on permanent damage caused by the virus because death isn't the only risk - I've heard of 30-somethings being told they'd never be able to ski again after getting it.

by mrkstu 6y ago

chrisco255 6y ago

We see the same drop in death rate across the board, by state, by country, regardless of policy choices. Regardless of mask wearing. Sweden's daily death count has flatlined at near zero per day for over three months, Florida, Wyoming, Idaho, South Dakota, etc all seeing similar drop in hospitalizations and deaths.

tzs 6y ago
You say "death rate" in the first sentence, but then talk of "death count" and "deaths" in the rest. Did you mean "death rate" in the rest too? If you meant "death count" or "deaths", then it is not the cast for South Dakota. Their deaths have gone way up per capita over the last few weeks. There are two big questions most people would like answers too: 1. What are my chances of getting COVID? 2. How screwed am I if I get COVID? There are a couple of different numbers that can be used for the second. First, the death rate among people who have COVID can be given. Second, the deaths per capita due to COVID can be given. If you have the answer to the first, then either form of answer to the second can be computed from the other form of answer. What's going on in South Dakota is that they are doing very badly on the first half (getting COVID). By "badly" I mean that they make the worst in Florida, back when Florida was the epitome of mishandling COVID, look great. So even if the death rate among people who have COVID has gone down a little, the deaths per capita has gone way up. The death rate among people with COVID would have to go down way more to offset the way the number of people who get COVID is increasing in South Dakota.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Here's the numbers on South Dakota: https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx#SD https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx#SD You can see mortality rate plummeted shortly after the pandemic started and that it has stayed flat or dropped even in the face of the recent rise in cases. While cases have gone up finally in South Dakota, the mortality rate is still less than a 10th of what it was in the beginning. So meanwhile, they were open for 9 months. That is well beyond the incubation period for this virus so what changed to cause the spike? They are still ranked 40th in terms of deaths per million by state. The worst states have been New Jersey and New York, and Massachusetts, by far, who failed to protect their nursing home and assisted living patients early on in pandemic. Florida is completely open right now. Not only is there no mask orders, there are no restrictions on populations or businesses. Deaths per day are down and mortality rate is down: https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/#latest-stats https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/#latest-stats. New cases flat.

alexchantavy 6y ago

I wonder if there are also statistics on permanent damage caused by the virus because death isn't the only risk - I've heard of 30-somethings being told they'd never be able to ski again after getting it.