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How long before these jobs outsourced to lower cost countries?

by tsjq 6y ago

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
Pretty much never. People who are basically commodity steering wheel holders will get outsourced to low cost countries and then to AI. People who's job requires thinking don't have much to worry about. Most forklift drivers have duties that include a non-trivial amount of getting off the lift and doing some amount of moving things and a good amount of planning (often specific to the business situation that day) as to where stuff will go. Same goes for someone operating a front end loader or excavator. Anyone can hold a steering wheel. The reason they're not paid min-wage like delivery drivers is because they're paid to think and plan ahead. It's really hard to outsource that kind of stuff in a manner that is actually cheaper in the long term. I suspect that just like in IT, the companies that successfully outsource will be the big ones that heavily invest in profit to the point where any given person is just following process, not really thinking and planning (think mines, major manufacturing operations, large food distributors, some LTL freight, Walmart, etc).
- btbuildem 6y ago
  > People who's job requires thinking don't have much to worry about. Think again.. white-collar jobs will erode as AI becomes more capable / integrated into business workflows. Personally, I'm working on projects that basically capture the domain knowledge and experience of analysts and engineers, packaging it into ML models.
mhd 6y ago
As soon as some rabid congress-person undermines OSHA. I think a lot of countries and/or trade unions have that pretty regulated, so it would be interesting to see how someone sitting in a far-off country would get the necessary permissions. And I use "interesting" in the Chinese proverb sense, as I would fear that a bit of lag or network outages would just Klaus[1] everything up. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg
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hauxir 6y ago
Doesn't latency(network propagation delay) make that pretty much impossible?
- bootlooped 6y ago
  70ms between Kansas City and Mexico City. I think that's sufficient for remote control of a forklift.
  - BMSmnqXAE4yfe1 6y ago
    Incidentally, it's the same as network propagation delay between neurons in the brain and muscles in the hand.
- tsjq 6y ago
  But whattabout latency over satellite communications for drone pilots ?
eeZah7Ux 6y ago
Finally a meaningful comment.

How long before these jobs outsourced to lower cost countries?

by tsjq 6y ago

How long before these jobs outsourced to lower cost countries?

Pretty much never. People who are basically commodity steering wheel holders will get outsourced to low cost countries and then to AI. People who's job requires thinking don't have much to worry about. Most forklift drivers have duties that include a non-trivial amount of getting off the lift and doing some amount of moving things and a good amount of planning (often specific to the business situation that day) as to where stuff will go. Same goes for someone operating a front end loader or excavator. Anyone can hold a steering wheel. The reason they're not paid min-wage like delivery drivers is because they're paid to think and plan ahead. It's really hard to outsource that kind of stuff in a manner that is actually cheaper in the long term. I suspect that just like in IT, the companies that successfully outsource will be the big ones that heavily invest in profit to the point where any given person is just following process, not really thinking and planning (think mines, major manufacturing operations, large food distributors, some LTL freight, Walmart, etc).

btbuildem 6y ago
> People who's job requires thinking don't have much to worry about. Think again.. white-collar jobs will erode as AI becomes more capable / integrated into business workflows. Personally, I'm working on projects that basically capture the domain knowledge and experience of analysts and engineers, packaging it into ML models.

mhd 6y ago

As soon as some rabid congress-person undermines OSHA. I think a lot of countries and/or trade unions have that pretty regulated, so it would be interesting to see how someone sitting in a far-off country would get the necessary permissions. And I use "interesting" in the Chinese proverb sense, as I would fear that a bit of lag or network outages would just Klaus[1] everything up. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg

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hauxir 6y ago

Doesn't latency(network propagation delay) make that pretty much impossible?

bootlooped 6y ago
70ms between Kansas City and Mexico City. I think that's sufficient for remote control of a forklift.
- BMSmnqXAE4yfe1 6y ago
  Incidentally, it's the same as network propagation delay between neurons in the brain and muscles in the hand.
tsjq 6y ago
But whattabout latency over satellite communications for drone pilots ?

eeZah7Ux 6y ago

Finally a meaningful comment.