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Consider the distance, and speed of light, and the speed of electricity (1/100th of that). I don't think it's truly feasible to keep that much physical space in

by tinix 6y ago

Consider the distance, and speed of light, and the speed of electricity (1/100th of that). I don't think it's truly feasible to keep that much physical space in sync. Hmm...

Gwypaas 6y ago
Apparently not a problem to do today. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continental_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continen...
- phonethrowaway 6y ago
  That's not a very large area, to be fair. That's about the size of half of the United States, in distance/spread. Europe isn't a continent in the traditional sense, it's a region, and not a huge one. This might counter the grandparent poster if Asia was on the same synchronous grid, but it's not.
  - Gwypaas 6y ago
    I guess there's two ways of looking at it. The distances spanned by the extreme points net or how dense it is. Not that I have the knowledge to relate any of that to real world use cases or consequences. Here's the map including all larger powerlines https://www.entsoe.eu/data/map/ https://www.entsoe.eu/data/map/
- phonethrowaway 6y ago
  This is a better example IMO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS/UPS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS/UPS It spans 8 timezones. Europe is just larger in capacity, not breadth.
eythian 6y ago
The speed of electricity isn't 1/100th the speed of light. IIRC it's something closer to 70% in copper. The speed electrons move is much lower, however something more like cm or m per second (presumably depends on voltage.) However, this isn't related to the speed of electricity which is analogous to how the speed of water through an (already full) hose isn't related to how soon water starts coming out the end when the tap is turned on. I've also heard, but I can't explain so you'll have to look it up yourself, that none of this matters when keeping a grid in sync anyway. It just works out.

by tinix 6y ago

Consider the distance, and speed of light, and the speed of electricity (1/100th of that). I don't think it's truly feasible to keep that much physical space in sync. Hmm...

Gwypaas 6y ago

Apparently not a problem to do today. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continental_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continen...

phonethrowaway 6y ago
That's not a very large area, to be fair. That's about the size of half of the United States, in distance/spread. Europe isn't a continent in the traditional sense, it's a region, and not a huge one. This might counter the grandparent poster if Asia was on the same synchronous grid, but it's not.
- Gwypaas 6y ago
  I guess there's two ways of looking at it. The distances spanned by the extreme points net or how dense it is. Not that I have the knowledge to relate any of that to real world use cases or consequences. Here's the map including all larger powerlines https://www.entsoe.eu/data/map/ https://www.entsoe.eu/data/map/
phonethrowaway 6y ago
This is a better example IMO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS/UPS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS/UPS It spans 8 timezones. Europe is just larger in capacity, not breadth.

eythian 6y ago

The speed of electricity isn't 1/100th the speed of light. IIRC it's something closer to 70% in copper. The speed electrons move is much lower, however something more like cm or m per second (presumably depends on voltage.) However, this isn't related to the speed of electricity which is analogous to how the speed of water through an (already full) hose isn't related to how soon water starts coming out the end when the tap is turned on. I've also heard, but I can't explain so you'll have to look it up yourself, that none of this matters when keeping a grid in sync anyway. It just works out.