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Why are you picking a single politician or Fox News? Your bias is clear, and so strong that you're already assuming I have a side so you can argue against it wh

Why are you picking a single politician or Fox News? Your bias is clear, and so strong that you're already assuming I have a side so you can argue against it when I only talked about the media. > "Distrust everyone, and you’ll believe anyone." No. Did you just make this up? I don't believe anyone because I distrust them all. That's what "distrust" literally means. > "Books will help broaden your perspective" I know. I'm discussing the state of the media, not worried about my perspective. > "is demonstrably untrue and a falsehood." Just say "lie". These are same weasley words that media often uses to create a narrative. However my statement can never be a lie regardless of how you feel about it because it's my personal assessment. > "people’s confidence in reputable sources" Politifact isn't a news site. Pro Public might be good but, again, I don't care about site reputation. It no longer matters because this authority has been disaggregated and over-extended, a problem caused by the media itself. I look at every piece as an isolated instance and apply trust based on numerous factors, with the publishing organization very far down that list. I find this approach far superior in uncovering the truth. I also have no interest or responsibility in other people's confidence in the media, and I'll freely express what I think. If their confidence is shaken so easily then maybe the problem is how little trust they already have in the precarious state of the media today. If you disagree and want to still rely on publisher-based reputation then that's your prerogative, but don't project your insecurities or political beliefs onto me.

adamsea 6y ago
You understand exactly why I am focusing on President Trump and Fox News. President Trump is a serial liar (fact), implicitly condones white supremacy (fact), and actively undermines the important norms of our democracy, like elections (fact). Fox News, for the most part, has been propaganda which is supporting him in that process. I don't have a bias - rather, I believe in small-d democracy, human rights, and valuing the truth and honest behavior, as much as one can in this world. Their actions are significantly worse than most other politicans (excepting Trump's political enablers) and news organizations at this time.
- manigandham 6y ago
  > "You understand exactly why" No, I don't understand. It doesn't make any specific point other than throwing up a strawman. A strategy used by the media (on all sides). > "implicitly condones" This is ignoring the explicit statements and actions to focus on the subjective narrative where anything can be implied. A cheap tactic often used by the media (on all sides). > "I don't have a bias" I'm sure you believe this, yet you're the only one vehemently choosing an irrelevant political side in this discussion about the media (of all sides). > "human rights, and valuing the truth and honest behavior, as much as one can in this world." Great, me too. Just like the vast majority of people in this world. Are you claiming some kind of moral superiority here? What is this relevant to? Your comments clearly reveal your bias and the narrative you seek to spread. You use many of the same tactics of the media (again, on all sides) and lack the same introspection. This is my personal assessment by the way, in case you want to argue that it's an "falsehood". I'll end it here since I see nothing more to discuss.

adamsea 6y ago

You understand exactly why I am focusing on President Trump and Fox News. President Trump is a serial liar (fact), implicitly condones white supremacy (fact), and actively undermines the important norms of our democracy, like elections (fact). Fox News, for the most part, has been propaganda which is supporting him in that process. I don't have a bias - rather, I believe in small-d democracy, human rights, and valuing the truth and honest behavior, as much as one can in this world. Their actions are significantly worse than most other politicans (excepting Trump's political enablers) and news organizations at this time.

manigandham 6y ago
> "You understand exactly why" No, I don't understand. It doesn't make any specific point other than throwing up a strawman. A strategy used by the media (on all sides). > "implicitly condones" This is ignoring the explicit statements and actions to focus on the subjective narrative where anything can be implied. A cheap tactic often used by the media (on all sides). > "I don't have a bias" I'm sure you believe this, yet you're the only one vehemently choosing an irrelevant political side in this discussion about the media (of all sides). > "human rights, and valuing the truth and honest behavior, as much as one can in this world." Great, me too. Just like the vast majority of people in this world. Are you claiming some kind of moral superiority here? What is this relevant to? Your comments clearly reveal your bias and the narrative you seek to spread. You use many of the same tactics of the media (again, on all sides) and lack the same introspection. This is my personal assessment by the way, in case you want to argue that it's an "falsehood". I'll end it here since I see nothing more to discuss.